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    Uhm. I've read Jared Diamond's books, and they seemed much more reasonable than this. I'm not a specialist, though, so I can't comment properly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    However, I always find it suspicious when new ideas go directly to the public, in book form, rather than in chunks through journals.
    Yea, that's often the case with crank ideas.

    He seems to have some support from colleagues--at least a forensic artist.
    If he's an entrepreneurial chap, it would be simple enough to pay a forensic artist. I don't imagine their doors are beaten down with good projects.

    I wasn't aware of teem theory. I like ideas like this. Completely out of left field.
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    It's an interesting theory, but probably something that can never be proven. We'll probably never know much about neanderthals and their interactions with humans. The prevailing ideas about neanderthals seem pretty lame though, like there's too much anthropomorphizing going on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon Candle View Post
    and to follow up:

    neanderthals were stronger and potentially every bit as smart. why did they die out? too many calories to sustain themselves.

    so if there had been enough food, would we be here?
    I guess the idea is that our numbers were drastically reduced by their predation, which meant one of their food sources was drastically reduced. I gather there wasnt a hell of a lot of food around at that time anyway, given the conditions. Add to that possible intra-neanderthalian stoushes incited by the need to feed, and it's possible they wiped themselves out after they'd almost wiped us out. There's also mention of the fact that this predation was an evolutionary pressure on humans. So maybe with the neanderthal population on the decline and the (new+improved) human population on the rise, humans finished the job of genocide. Wildy speculating here, but this seems to be the place for it.

    I'm not quite sure where the whole abduction/rape aspect fits into his theory though. Is it just to explain why our mythology keeps producing the idea of hairy beasts who want to rape our women? Isn't there a theory though that neanderthals interbred with humans until they ceased to be separate species?

    Oh and while I'm wildly speculating, nephilim = neanderthals? They were around before the flood, right? And a big chunk of the reason mankind were almost completely wiped out? Lemme see if I can find it.

    Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
    Gen 6:2 That the sons of God (ie Nephilim) saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
    Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
    Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
    Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
    Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
    Gen 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
    Maybe that's a residual and distorted memory of NP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon Candle View Post
    and to follow up:

    neanderthals were stronger and potentially every bit as smart. why did they die out? they required too many calories and couldnt sustain themselves.

    so if there had been enough food, would we be here?
    I finished 3 of 4 years of a B.S. in Biology, befroe changing my major to MIS.

    In one of my last classes, a comparative vertebrate anatomy class, a discussion of Neanderthal Vs. Cro Magnon came up. Someone asked how the Neanderthals died out. The professor's stated that he had heard of a theory that hypothesized Neanderthals died out possibly due to upper respiratory infections, especially during the winter months. The design of the skulls predisposes them to have HUGE sinuese, which create alot of surface area, that is wet, dark, and exposed to the open air, a perfect breeding ground for bacteria, especially in a world without readily available antibiotics.

    I've never seen a picture of them look like a demonically possessed ape. I've always seen them with kind of the heavy brow, "cave man look", but never demon apes.

    Depicting them as demon apes makes this bozo's theory more believable, right? :yim_rolling_on_the_

    Furthermore, how much longer do you think it will take for someone to feel better about humans killing gorillas? "The tables have turned" kind of thinking...
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    no comment
    (except they totally gave that modern man a Jason Statham look)
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    Is it only me who wonders why the "modern man" is almost always caucasian-looking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post


    no comment
    (except they totally gave that modern man a Jason Statham look)
    Nice find!

    The Neanderthal in the lower picture looks like the typecast of a Soviet/KGB interrogator, or Russian Mob hitman. Far from the demonically possessed ape posted before!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halla74 View Post
    In one of my last classes, a comparative vertebrate anatomy class, a discussion of Neanderthal Vs. Cro Magnon came up. Someone asked how the Neanderthals died out. The professor's stated that he had heard of a theory that hypothesized Neanderthals died out possibly due to upper respiratory infections, especially during the winter months. The design of the skulls predisposes them to have HUGE sinuese, which create alot of surface area, that is wet, dark, and exposed to the open air, a perfect breeding ground for bacteria, especially in a world without readily available antibiotics.
    Could some sort of super cold also wiped out the mammoths? They surely had even larger sinuses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Could some sort of super cold also wiped out the mammoths? They surely had even larger sinuses.
    I am no virologist. I do know that viruses common to birds->pigs->humans can jump species and mutate, as per the current H1N1 pandemic. I know nothing of elephant viruses.

    My assumption would be that the ability of a (sever/lethal) virus, is the rate of transmission/infection between hosts. In pack animals I would suspect this a problem. Humans live in close proximity to one and other and share much "public" space/surfaces (railings, door knobs, etc.) so infection is no problem there.

    Even with domestic (outdoor) cats, they are somewhat solitary, but they do socialize, and there are Feline Leukemia and Feline AIDS thinning their ranks.

    Again, that's an aside comment of a professor in a biology class I took 15 years ago. The theory could have been proven utter bullshiot by now, that's just the last time I have discussed Neanderthals in any great detail with anyone. I've got other shit to do.
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