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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    I wasn't given a choice. The guy insisted, and literally said, "I'm f**king this monkey, don't peek," if I tried to make any comments at all about what he was doing.


    Never, ever, trust a computer geek to make your machine the way you want it. The only method is to geek yourself
    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    If I'd had my way, Vista wouldn't have even been on that computer until SP1 came out. And it would have been the 64-bit version. I can run my old apps in a Virtual Machine, I learned how to do that on Linux when I wanted Windows compatibility.
    Eew!! Linux?!?!?!?

    A nice experiment but a pain to live with. Especially for a gamer. Fancy having free linux but paying for wine... it's just odd!
    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    Come to think of it, I think part of the reason memory was being wasted was because I had exactly 4GB, and a video card with a lot of ram (600MB+ or something ridiculous)... meaning 32-bit addressing was probably throwing away some of my memory. Maybe half, though it claimed to recognize all of it. Argh, this reminds me of when DOS claimed to recognize all my Extended memory upon typing MEM, but it was a struggle to get it to run anything outside of that initial 640k conventional memory.
    G33k

    Quite correct though. 32 bit can address almost 4Gb but then take off your graphics memory off that number and that's how much it can actually address.
    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    See, I know that. I've never had more than one antivirus on any computer I set up. Quite frequently, I don't bother to install one at all. In fact, I joke that the easiest way to detect a virus is not to install an antivirus, then know that if your system starts running as badly as it would with one for no apparent reason, that you've probably gotten a virus.
    Bad girl!!! BAD!!

    Seriously though, Avast or MSE and a decent spyware scanner will do the job like Spybot.
    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    Actually, I have started using Chrome, but switch back to Firefox x86 when doing secure transactions because so many people freaked out, and have screamed at me about Chrome invading privacy.
    I've heard of this but never seen anything which worried me. I'm wondering what the fuss is about.
    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    I would use Firefox x64, but it won't even run on my computer (the latest beta of FF 3.6 beta 3 crashes on startup, and there's no "normal" version.) IE 64-bit runs fine, as do 7-Zip and Wireshark, but 64-bit FF won't run on my Windows installation. It's not even officially supported, and all I can find are lousy outdated beta/alpha builds. I think they've abandoned support for 64-bit FF for Windows. Adobe still doesn't have a 64-bit flash player for Windows, and won't anytime soon. Linux is finally getting one, though, after years of demand.
    Oh the betas are quite good. I'm enjoying shredder 3 at the moment for my email though I am admittedly having a few teething problems with account setup for my email.
    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    SSD sounds great... if it's anything like those USB flash drives or flash memory cartriges for a Hard Drive, that's awesome... HD access will almost catch up to SDRAM memory.
    Not quite THAT quick but I've got a burst speed of like 180Mbs and a sustained speed of 150 out of two patriot SSDs on an AHCI RAID0.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post


    Never, ever, trust a computer geek to make your machine the way you want it. The only method is to geek yourself
    I DIDN'T trust them. The machine was a surprise gift.
    Eew!! Linux?!?!?!?

    A nice experiment but a pain to live with. Especially for a gamer. Fancy having free linux but paying for wine... it's just odd!
    Oh, please... I compiled and tweaked Wine myself (who needs crossweaver when you can do it yourself?), and "creatively acquired" VMWare for Linux until boches was released. I've never paid a cent for Linux after my first distribution, outside the cost of blank CDs.

    And believe me, I was really fed up with Windows 98 First Edition crashing all the time... to the point that I thought Linux was worth it. At the time I found Linux, I had become so disillusioned that I was always running in command prompt mode (basically DOS 7), and using Arachne as my web browser due to not being able to keep Windows working. Ah, the "joys" of trying to find winmodem kernel drivers, recompiling kernels, eventually buying a 56k Serial Port modem after you find the latest kernel can't use that old driver, and realizing you have to switch from AOL to Earthlink because their dial-in software only works on Windows. Yeah, when I was 11-14, I was a rabid anti-M$ person who always spelled it with a dollar sign (that's what an extended stay in the Linux community will do to you). It was the teenage version of how between 5-9, I was a rabid Nintendo fan and went around trying to "help" people who owned Sega or Sony systems, refusing to associate with them if I couldn't convince them to switch to Nintendo. Come to think of it, part of my motivation for switching to Linux might have been fear of the Xbox hurting Nintendo.

    So, first stage, for Nintendo. Second stage, against Microsoft. Third stage, for my own self-interest.

    Later on, I eventually switched to DSL, though, and all the problems went away... Linux practically configures Ethernet/DHCP for you.

    I didn't use Windows between 1999-2002. After that, my Dad made me live at his house, and made me use Windows XP... after which I realized Windows wasn't as bad as it used to be. That's also why I skipped Windows 2000 in my reviews. I never used it, because I was on Linux full-time when that was out. Of course, I ended up using Windows 98SE at first because by this time most of my hardware was too old to run Windows XP.

    G33k

    Quite correct though. 32 bit can address almost 4Gb but then take off your graphics memory off that number and that's how much it can actually address.
    Yep. In fact, now I'm curious enough that I might try putting Vista back on a separate partition or something, without all the junk, to see how it works. That way the Windows 7 comparison will be more fair.

    Bad girl!!! BAD!!

    Seriously though, Avast or MSE and a decent spyware scanner will do the job like Spybot.
    I do use MSE, actually, but I figured if it was an "essential," it didn't count as additional protection.
    I've heard of this but never seen anything which worried me. I'm wondering what the fuss is about.
    Me neither, honestly. I started using Chrome when it first came out, and only got worried when people fussed. Any reporting it does is enabled by a checkbox, and is mostly to help them fix bugs.

    Not quite THAT quick but I've got a burst speed of like 180Mbs and a sustained speed of 150 out of two patriot SSDs on an AHCI RAID0.
    Yeah... my 2 year old hard drives are so clearly the bottleneck in my system (installation programs show up instantly, a status bar shows up, the hard drive clicks for 30 seconds with no movement on the progress bar, then the progress bar completes suddenly) so it might be worth getting some. My Windows Experience won't get above 5.9 without them anyway. All the other components are rated at 7+.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    I DIDN'T trust them. The machine was a surprise gift.
    Surprise!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    Oh, please... I compiled and tweaked Wine myself (who needs crossweaver when you can do it yourself?), and "creatively acquired" VMWare for Linux until boches was released. I've never paid a cent for Linux after my first distribution, outside the cost of blank CDs.
    Well hark at her with her bottle glasses and full beard.

    I got bored as soon as I saw the console. Soooo eighties retro!
    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    And believe me, I was really fed up with Windows 98 First Edition crashing all the time... to the point that I thought Linux was worth it. At the time I found Linux, I had become so disillusioned that I was always running in command prompt mode (basically DOS 7), and using Arachne as my web browser due to not being able to keep Windows working. Ah, the "joys" of trying to find winmodem kernel drivers, recompiling kernels, eventually buying a 56k Serial Port modem after you find the latest kernel can't use that old driver, and realizing you have to switch from AOL to Earthlink because their dial-in software only works on Windows.
    Try the creative problem. XFi sound card and not even a sniff of linux suport planned at the time... that and only one out of the twelve or so versions I tried actually worked and actually configured correctly.

    Very poor linux experience. And yet I keep getting tempted to try again. If only it cost money!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    Yeah, when I was 11-14, I was a rabid anti-M$ person who always spelled it with a dollar sign (that's what an extended stay in the Linux community will do to you). It was the teenage version of how between 5-9, I was a rabid Nintendo fan and went around trying to "help" people who owned Sega or Sony systems, refusing to associate with them if I couldn't convince them to switch to Nintendo. Come to think of it, part of my motivation for switching to Linux might have been fear of the Xbox hurting Nintendo.
    Errm it's not spelt M$?

    I think you're closet 1337 and too afraid to front up.


    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    So, first stage, for Nintendo. Second stage, against Microsoft. Third stage, for my own self-interest.
    Errm my first was pulling capacitors out of PCs at school for the craft teacher. Then onto Amstrad CPCs and Dragon 32s (you know what disappointment is when you wait for half an hour for a tape to load only to land a plane and be told "game over"). I've only moved to PCs since like 10 yrs ago. It's a steep learning curve when you wipe everything including DOS off your first machine and don't have a bootable CD ROM and no DOS!
    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    Later on, I eventually switched to DSL, though, and all the problems went away... Linux practically configures Ethernet/DHCP for you.
    Practically = not actually right? Sound like Linux speak to me.... and it usually means "in very few paragraphs of code"
    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    I didn't use Windows between 1999-2002. After that, my Dad made me live at his house, and made me use Windows XP... after which I realized Windows wasn't as bad as it used to be. That's also why I skipped Windows 2000 in my reviews. I never used it, because I was on Linux full-time when that was out. Of course, I ended up using Windows 98SE at first because by this time most of my hardware was too old to run Windows XP.
    2000 was good. It took a crowbar to move Dom off of it! He's now pondering Windows 7 after having avoided Vista for years only to end up with a laptop which has it and barely complaining (for him).
    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    Yep. In fact, now I'm curious enough that I might try putting Vista back on a separate partition or something, without all the junk, to see how it works. That way the Windows 7 comparison will be more fair.
    Either put another hard drive in or wait. Partitioning is purely for storage drives. It hampers performance and contributes to fragmentation.
    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    I do use MSE, actually, but I figured if it was an "essential," it didn't count as additional protection.
    Good point.

    Personally I'm trialling Kaspersky 2010 and at present I'm quite impressed... which is good cause I think I've got it for another 230 days or so...
    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    Me neither, honestly. I started using Chrome when it first came out, and only got worried when people fussed. Any reporting it does is enabled by a checkbox, and is mostly to help them fix bugs.
    Pffft... I ignored the yelps. Until I see research I only see panicked security professionals and they always panic!
    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    Yeah... my 2 year old hard drives are so clearly the bottleneck in my system (installation programs show up instantly, a status bar shows up, the hard drive clicks for 30 seconds with no movement on the progress bar, then the progress bar completes suddenly) so it might be worth getting some. My Windows Experience won't get above 5.9 without them anyway. All the other components are rated at 7+.
    Well SSDs will rate 7+ my computers on like 7.2 total at present (a nice surprise from the RC saying 5.5 based on my measly 3870X2 graphics). But perhaps for a more financially minded gamer one of those F3 Spinpoint drives. Buy one big enough and you get 32Mb cache!!

    Either that or a velociraptor. Cost per Gb is high compared to other mechanical drives but low compared to the SSDs and it is the fastest SATA drive money can buy. They're damned quiet too which is shocking considering the 10,000rpm speed!!
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Well hark at her with her bottle glasses and full beard.

    I got bored as soon as I saw the console. Soooo eighties retro!
    That console was like the 80s? Wow, I guess I really am an 80s fan.

    Try the creative problem. XFi sound card and not even a sniff of linux suport planned at the time... that and only one out of the twelve or so versions I tried actually worked and actually configured correctly.

    Very poor linux experience. And yet I keep getting tempted to try again. If only it cost money!!
    I've never used an audio chip more advanced than a Sound Blaster 16 PCI, and am still using the speakers that came with my CD-ROM drive for my 486DX in 1993. Because I'm deaf in one ear, and thus I honestly can't tell the difference in "high fidelity" audio, and that. Actually can barely hear the difference between Stereo and Mono because I can't tell where sound is coming from in real life. I always make sure any audio chip I get is "Sound Blaster compatible," because that minimizes configuration issues.
    Errm it's not spelt M$?

    I think you're closet 1337 and too afraid to front up.
    Of course I'm 1337. Didn't you know that already?

    I know, but it's to complain about their monopoly and monetary extortion. You see, the $ stands for money in America. So we sometimes replace a capital S with it to imply that the thing being discussed is expensive.




    Errm my first was pulling capacitors out of PCs at school for the craft teacher. Then onto Amstrad CPCs and Dragon 32s (you know what disappointment is when you wait for half an hour for a tape to load only to land a plane and be told "game over"). I've only moved to PCs since like 10 yrs ago. It's a steep learning curve when you wipe everything including DOS off your first machine and don't have a bootable CD ROM and no DOS!
    Well, congrats. I don't even know what a capacitor is! I think it has something to do with electricity, though... right? I've heard about that slow software tape loading before, though.

    Practically = not actually right? Sound like Linux speak to me.... and it usually means "in very few paragraphs of code"
    Depends on the Distribution, actually. Quite a few will literally detect and configure it for you. Ubuntu even configured my USB printer automatically on my old Athlon XP computer. If you build Linux from scratch, though, of course it won't be that easy.

    Either put another hard drive in or wait. Partitioning is purely for storage drives. It hampers performance and contributes to fragmentation.
    Really? I never had problems last time, but back then I had a single 20GB drive. Then again, my system wasn't partitioned for long. Now I'm using RAID. So technically I do have another hard drive, but the system doesn't see two.

    Okay, fine. I guess I won't bother. It's not worth the cost of testing. I hate the way computer performance works...
    Well SSDs will rate 7+ my computers on like 7.2 total at present (a nice surprise from the RC saying 5.5 based on my measly 3870X2 graphics). But perhaps for a more financially minded gamer one of those F3 Spinpoint drives. Buy one big enough and you get 32Mb cache!!

    Either that or a velociraptor. Cost per Gb is high compared to other mechanical drives but low compared to the SSDs and it is the fastest SATA drive money can buy. They're damned quiet too which is shocking considering the 10,000rpm speed!!
    Those are Hard Drives? I was wondering why people wanted to put a Dinosaur into their system to make it run faster... because that usually has the opposite effect.

    Well, I guess I'll be taking a closer look at SSD technology. I like the fact that it has no moving parts. Now if only they could replace CDs/DVDs with something more solid... those stupid motors wear out, and the darn things can only be burned once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    That console was like the 80s? Wow, I guess I really am an 80s fan.
    Languidge FAIL (my part). I mean't console as in the console window. The bit where you basically enter a text adventure with your OS in Linux.
    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    I've never used an audio chip more advanced than a Sound Blaster 16 PCI, and am still using the speakers that came with my CD-ROM drive for my 486DX in 1993. Because I'm deaf in one ear, and thus I honestly can't tell the difference in "high fidelity" audio, and that. Actually can barely hear the difference between Stereo and Mono because I can't tell where sound is coming from in real life. I always make sure any audio chip I get is "Sound Blaster compatible," because that minimizes configuration issues.
    You know you're the third person I know with only half hearing. You guys should organise a club or something!

    As for sound cards, I'd be surprised if you'd need a sound blaster now. The on board stuff is non too shabby.
    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    Of course I'm 1337. Didn't you know that already?
    G33k maybe but the1337 of altering Linux to actually do something exciting.... that's 3P1C!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    I know, but it's to complain about their monopoly and monetary extortion. You see, the $ stands for money in America. So we sometimes replace a capital S with it to imply that the thing being discussed is expensive.


    I know what it stands for silly...
    I've even been to the US... twice!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    Well, congrats. I don't even know what a capacitor is! I think it has something to do with electricity, though... right? I've heard about that slow software tape loading before, though.
    Ah probably before you time then... for those of us who remember actual floppy disks not just those weird new fangled things with plastic cases... ah the old loading sound track....
    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    Depends on the Distribution, actually. Quite a few will literally detect and configure it for you. Ubuntu even configured my USB printer automatically on my old Athlon XP computer. If you build Linux from scratch, though, of course it won't be that easy.
    Oh I tried Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Fedora, SUSE, PCLinuxOS, X something or other... I got a whole bunch to try. I even paid for properly written disks rather than do it myself just in case I was making a hash of it!

    I even tried BSD but that just frazzled me before I even had it installed!
    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    Really? I never had problems last time, but back then I had a single 20GB drive. Then again, my system wasn't partitioned for long. Now I'm using RAID. So technically I do have another hard drive, but the system doesn't see two.
    Basically if you partition your forcing the disk to separate where it writes information which makes it more complex to get the files in order. That and one of the partitions is placed further away from the centre so the head has to travel out to it all the time. Combine this with the times when you use both partitions and the head has to keep running back and forth... it's just not mechanically sound.

    As for RAID. If you've striped then you're just forcing two drives to do it instead of one, same effect. If you've mirrored then you're getting no performance increase except in read times (as it can read from either disk) and you're getting slower write times as it has to write twice.

    Best practice is three drives (whether one of those drives is RAID or not you need three drive letters on physically separate drives so if you've got a RAID 0 setup then you need 4 drives and so on). One drive for the OS by itself, one for storing all your files like music and pictures and so on and then one drive just for game installations. That way your files don't slow down your OS and your games get to have their own play space complete with the first and fastest part of the drive.

    It also seems to kill most fragmentation IME.
    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    Okay, fine. I guess I won't bother. It's not worth the cost of testing. I hate the way computer performance works...
    Use XtremeSystems. They're snobby for the most part and very E1337ist but their information is usually quite good. Oh and Anandtech is another very good source of performance data... just don't believe everything you read about their air coolers... I swear I've never got those temps once even on water!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    Those are Hard Drives? I was wondering why people wanted to put a Dinosaur into their system to make it run faster... because that usually has the opposite effect.

    Well, I guess I'll be taking a closer look at SSD technology. I like the fact that it has no moving parts. Now if only they could replace CDs/DVDs with something more solid... those stupid motors wear out, and the darn things can only be burned once.
    Velociraptors are cool. They beat most other drives in RAID and even beat some SAS drives!!

    SSDs are even better but hideously expensive (check out newegg but brace yourself!). Also they require special treatment to get the best from them. But still... when you do... damn are they quick...

    As for optical drives... try alcohol 52%. It effectively copies a disk onto your hard drive (with various security protocols as required so punkbuster will operate normally), then installs up to 6 ghost optical drives which you can mount the disk image to. It means you're running your disks without having to load them, without the annoying whir of the drive and at hard drive speeds!! It's awesome. Though don't update it... it ruins all the disk images for some reason and then you have to copy them again which is a lengthy process!
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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