# Thread: I came up this this mathamatical idea

1. Originally Posted by Sahara
Lol that's the way I felt when I saw it, numbers hurt my brain.
No need to develop low self-esteem here, Sahara. Your prowess in dealing with emotional situations and attunement to others more than makes up for any numerical processing deficiencies you might have. That was designed to be dealt with by computers anyway, that's what machines are for. You're really a nice person, don't feel bad.

2. Originally Posted by athenian200
No need to develop low self-esteem here, Sahara. Your prowess in dealing with emotional situations and attunement to others more than makes up for any numerical processing deficiencies you might have. That was designed to be dealt with by computers anyway, that's what machines are for. You're really a nice person, don't feel bad.
Thanks athenian, I'm only bothered by it occasionally, like when my son (a definate T type) wants help with maths.

3. I prefer codes with more of a distorted mathematical function to it with rules that make it more efficient to just let a computer run the encryption/decryption process.

4. Originally Posted by Pseudonym_Alpha
It just kind of started a thought, after watching the movie Enigma, about cryptology and different codes, and i came up with the following;

A|0,1,2,3,4
B|5,6
C|7,8,9
D|10,11,12,13
E|14,15,16,17,18
F|19,20,21,22,23,24,25
G|26,27,28,29,30,31,32
H|33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40
I|41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49
J|50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59
K|60,61,62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69,70
L|71,72,73,74,75,76,77,78,79,80,81,82
M|83,84,85,86,87,88,89,90,91,92,93,94,95
N|96,97,98,99,100,101,102,103,104,105,106,107,108, 109
O|110,111,112,113,114,115,116,117,118,119,120,121, 122,123,124
P|125,126,127,128,129,130,131,132,133,134,135,136, 137,138,139,140
Q|141,142,143,144,145,146,147,148,149,150,151,152, 153,15,155,156,157
R|158,159,160,161,162,163,164,165,166,167,168,169, 170,171,172,173,174,175
S|176,177,178,179,180,181,182,183,184,185,186,187, 188,189,190,191,192,193,194
T|195,196,197,198,199,200,201,202,203,204,205,206, 207,208,209,210,211,212,213,214
U|215,216,217,218,219,220,221,222,223,224,225,226, 227,228,229,230,231,232,233,234,235
V|236,237,238,239,240,241,242,243,244,245,246,247, 248,249,250,251,252,253,254,255,256,257
W|258,259,260,261,262,263,264,265,266,267,268,269, 270,271,272,273,274,275,276,277,278,279,280
X|281,282,283,284,285,286,287,288,289,290,291,292, 293,294,295,296,297,298,299,300,301,302,303,304
Y|305,306,307,308,309,310,311,312,313,314,315,316, 317,318,319,320,321,322,323,324,325,326,327,328,32 9
Z|330,331,332,333,334,335,336,337,338,339,340,341, 342,343,344,345,346,347,348,349,350,351,352,353,35 4,355

Having each character have its own series of numbers, which can make it harder and or easier to read the code.

for example, 33,41 = Hi , however you can also have 34,42 = Hi

any idea's on possible application of such a code?
These types of ciphers tend to be be reasonably easy to crack (esp. since you assigned numbers in order).

I think the code would have been stronger if you did a random assignment of numbers to letters according to Letter Frequency, and then run it through RSA encryption where you know the key. Pretty easy to implement and much harder to crack.

5. Originally Posted by Sahara
Thanks athenian, I'm only bothered by it occasionally, like when my son (a definate T type) wants help with maths.
I use a lot of math, and look at a lot of charts with lots of numbers in them for various classes, and that big a block a numbers can still overwhelm.

So no issue.

6. Originally Posted by ygolo
These types of ciphers tend to be be reasonably easy to crack (esp. since you assigned numbers in order).

I think the code would have been stronger if you did a random assignment of numbers to letters according to Letter Frequency, and then run it through RSA encryption where you know the key. Pretty easy to implement and much harder to crack.
I'd use a random set of 3 - 5 keys in different parts of the algorithm then append them to the message in a way that if you weren't looking for them you'd never get them.

7. there are three main problems with this code.

1) inefficiency. Imagine trying to transmit this. You'd need to translate it to binary. And you already have triple digit numbers in decimal system. It would be increadibly unwieldy
2) no error correction. If one of the bits goes awry, you could end up with serious problems.
3) can only express roman letters. What about numbers? say you went to send a coded transmission giving coordinates for an air strike?

Granted, these problems are a lot bigger if you're dealing with codying theory, but even in cryptography, issues like error correction and inefficiency are still pretty paramount. Public Key cryptography based on really big prime numbers is still pretty awesome imo.

8. Solution: assign the Navajo.

9. Originally Posted by Pseudonym_Alpha
the movie Enigma
Is that from the book Enigma?

10. Originally Posted by Anentropic IxTx
Is that from the book Enigma?
I think it's from both the movie and the book. Not 100% sure on the that though. I've read/seen both however. Mainly because I can relate to words with the "thinking" side of myself and relate to the picture through the "feeling" side of myself. Because I actually do both. Still confused about my type. However INxJ, and because the F is more overwhelming(and yes I'll get corrected because I keep forgetting things...ugh...leave me alone *hides*).

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