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the Hunger Games

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Now I know the movies and books might have had slightly different portrayals of them, but I feel like they are still the same. So, here I go

Katniss Everdeen: INTJ (yes, i see a lot of Ni in her-especially in the book, also unhealthy Fi and Se usage)

Peeta Mellark: ENFP

Prim Everdeen: Not really sure, ill just say INFJ cuz i don't know

Gale: INFJ (with a strong Ti-with his snares and traps- still not completely sure of him, but oh well)

President Snow: ENTJ

Plutarch: not sure

Coin: ? could be ESTJ

Haymitch: ENTJ (him and katniss always resonating with each other and "reading each other" was the similar Ni-Te functions)

any other characters would be nice too. so thoughts?
 

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katniss istp
eiffrey enfj
sister infj
 

TheGodson

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Katniss = ISFJ
Kat is quite a feeler. Very emotional. Taking place for her sister and crying a lot for death and what not. A lot of her decisions are based on feeling. Her skills in the wild make me think sensing is more suitable.

Peeta = INFP
He doesn't seem like a people person to me.

Prim = INFP
Gale = ISTP
Snow = ENTJ
Haymitch = ESTP
 

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Katniss is ISTP 4w5,6w5,8
Peeta is ENFP 3,6,1w9
Gale is ENTJ 3-6-8
Prim- ISFJ 2-6-1w9
Katniss's Mom is ESFJ 2-6-1w9
Rue-ISFP 4-6-9
Haymitch- ESTP
Thresh is ESTP 4w5,6w5,8w9
Johanna Mason is ESTP
Finnick is ESFP


Here is a list of the career tributes. It's impossible to tell because they rarely had any lines but here is my interpretation.
Clove is ISTJ 1w2,3w4,6w5
Cato is ESTJ 4w5,6w5,8w9
Glimmer is ENFP or ESFP I couldn't really tell. She stuck me as a EFP feeling type when I read the book
Marvel???


Snow is ENTJ
Coin is ESTJ
 

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Katniss = ISFJ
Kat is quite a feeler. Very emotional. Taking place for her sister and crying a lot for death and what not. A lot of her decisions are based on feeling. Her skills in the wild make me think sensing is more suitable.

Peeta = INFP
He doesn't seem like a people person to me.

Prim = INFP
Gale = ISTP
Snow = ENTJ
Haymitch = ESTP

Katniss in the book was so hard and aggressive. She was not maternal and maturing. Sure, she had moments in the book whereas she was maternal like but that was not her personality.
 

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From the first book - Haymitch is ENTJ as hell. Dude is definitely a planner with inferior Fi. Just because somebody likes drinking/eating/whatever doesn't make them ESTP.
 

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only thing i care about is that katniss is ISTJ
 

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only thing i care about is that katniss is ISTJ

Actually, I thought she was an INTJ, but the more i think about it, the more book 1 seems to support usage of Si as a dominant function than Ni. Most of what she thinks usually begins with past precedent and background knowledge, and the reason she gets so worked up about it is precisely because she sees how the past links together with the present. So count me in on ISTJ katniss.


 

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How is Katniss ISTJ? There was a good article written by a person on how people interact with others by functions. SJ are more maternal and paternal almost like they're babying a person. NP are child-like. SP are hard and aggressive because of of Se and Ni. Katniss wasn't maternal and paternal throughout the book like an Si and Ne users are. She was hard and aggressive. Katniss had Se and Ni. Katniss was not material throughout the entire series as an ISTJ would had or any SJ group. . Katniss preferred the hard and aggressive way unlike SJs who are easy and maternal. Anyways, Katniss did use Si in the book which is recalling past experience like when she was in the forest in the hunger games recalling past experience she had when she was a pre-teen. ISTPs can use Si though it's not a function they use all the time since Si is their shadow function.


1. VICTIM

- ENTj (aka ENTJ in MBTI)
- INTp (aka INTJ in MBTI)
- ENFj (aka ENFJ in MBTI)
- INFp (aka INFJ in MBTI)

The Victim types, identified as such by Viktor Gulenko, are the four types with Ni in their ego. Despite the differences between these types in terms of temperament, base function, and quadra values, it seems that in the area of physical attraction, desire, and flirting, the Ego element Ni, coupled with their expectations of Se style behavior in intimate partners, is the most visible factor in a Victim’s behavior.

This romance style is defined by focus on Ni which is dynamic, irrational, and introverted, with perceptions of inner imagery away from the present physical reality. This means that a Victim sees attraction between two individuals as a dynamic state, which he feels is completely natural. This accounts for a Victim’s inclination to focus on the mutual attraction, or particularly the attraction felt by the other person, as to its longer-term perspectives and implications, as well as a certain expectation that the partner will continuously take action to confirm the attraction. Failure on the partner to do so results on the individual assuming that it’s already changing. The individual counts on the partner to forcefully bring the individual “down to earth from his thoughts ” and focus on the immediate physical reality, continuously.

Typical characteristics of the Victim romance style

prone to initial doubts about intensity of own interest in another person
not always confident about revealing that interest
inclined to focus on whether or not the other person might reciprocate the interest
inclined to question whether or not the other person’s interest will remain constant with time
preference for partners that provoke in the individual a certain sense of awe in terms of power, physical presence, and the like
appreciation for the sense of power-play present when interacting with such partners, with acceptance of a slight sense of superiority on the part of the partner, without ever actually “submitting” to them
this takes the form of the individual somewhat expecting the partner to be “mean” on occasion
in the case of Victim males with female partners, this latter trait assumes a characteristic analogous to a “knight devoted to his princess”
inclination to openly admit to a relationship having been ended by the partner rather than by the individual himself

Perception of other romance styles

Victim: Victims tend to perceive other Victims as puzzling and inconstant, as if they were playing games or “push-pull” behavior, but also as exciting partners if a stage of “certainty” is reached.
Aggressor: Victims tend to perceive Aggressors as pleasantly reassuring of their interest and prone to take the initiative in that area. They find Aggressor’s sexual confidence attractive and reflecting positively on themselves.
Caregiver: Victims tend to perceive Caregivers as comfortable and up to a point reassuring partners, but also somewhat boring, leading to a sense of stagnation. The Caregiver’s inclination to treat them as somewhat helpless is perceived as slightly insulting.
Infantile: Victims tend to perceive Childlike types as too goofy and expecting a kind of attention that the Victims find demanding; Victim women are prone to see Childlike men as irritating.

2.CHILDLIKE / INFANTILE

- ENTp (aka ENTP in MBTI)
- INTj (aka INTP in MBTI)
- ENFp (aka ENFP in MBTI)
- INFj (aka INFP in MBTI)

The Childlike types, identified as such by Viktor Gulenko, are the four types with Ne in their ego. Despite the differences between these types in terms of temperament, base function, and quadra values, it seems that in the area of physical attraction, desire, and flirting, the ego element Ne, coupled with their expectations of Si style behavior in intimate partners, is the most visible factor in manifestation of “childlike” behavior.

This romance style is defined by focus on Ne which is static, irrational, and extroverted, with perceptions focused on possibilities and alternatives to the static present reality, which the individual perceives as intrinsically boring and stagnant. This means that a person of Childlike type sees attraction between two individuals as a static state, also from the point of view of the other person, which he tries to “get moving” by actively thinking of variations of the present static state. This accounts for the inclination of Childlike types to focus on the mutual attraction, or particularly the attraction felt by the other person, as connected to that person’s being exposed to the unexpected, imaginative, fun, even “weird” side of life, reality, and each other, a behavior that can be described as characteristic of young children. This focus comes together with a sense of helplessness regarding his own physical well being as perceived by Si, so he welcomes help from others in that area.

Typical characteristics of the Childlike romance style

interest is sparked in partner with positive aesthetic attributes divorced from active, “aggressive” sexuality
tend to try to attract partner’s interest with joking, goofy or even “strange” behavior
try to help partner see the unexpected and fun side of things
interest is maintained or cools off according to partner’s response to this behavior
appreciation for partner who actively cares about the individual’s comfort and daily needs
neutral with regard to externally admitting who took the initiative in ending a relationship, “power” is seen as unimportant in such matters

Perception of other romance styles

Victim: Chidlike types tend to perceive Victims as paranoid and confusing, giving mixed signals.
Aggressor: Chidlike types tend to perceive Aggressors as a bit too “rough” and even slightly scary on occasion, or perhaps just as obnoxious.
Caregiver: Chidlike types tend to perceive Caregivers as comforting and pleasant company, with a delightful sense of fun.
Childlike: Chidlike types tend to perceive other Chidlike types as fun to spend time with but also as helpless and demanding in a way that they see as stressful.

3. CAREGIVERS

- ESTj (aka ESTJ in MBTI)
- ISTp (aka ISTJ in MBTI)
- ESFj (aka ESFJ in MBTI)
- ISFp (aka ISFJ in MBTI)

The Caregiver types, identified as such by Viktor Gulenko, are the four types with Si in their ego. Despite the differences between these types in terms of temperament, base function, and quadra values, it seems that in the area of physical attraction, desire, and flirting, the ego element Si is the most visible factor in determining Caregivers’ behavior.

This romance style is defined by focus on Si which is dynamic, irrational, and introverted, with perceptions of the present reality and physical sensations rather than inner imagery. This means that a Caregiver sees attraction between two individuals as a dynamic state, which he feels is completely natural, as he also sees the physical comfort and well-being of another person as dynamic. This accounts for a Caregiver’s inclination to focus on the mutual attraction, or particularly the attraction felt by the other person, as connected to that person’s physical well-being. The individual’s own dynamic and introverted Si perceptions lead to a sense of sleepy drifting in them, which makes him welcome Ne impulses from another person designed to shake him out of it from time to time.

Typical characteristics of the Caregiver romance style

attraction is naturally sparked by the perceived aesthetic attributes of the prospective partner, but cooled off if such attributes are accompanied by a perception of “too aggressive” sexuality
inclination towards tenderness, “soft” rather than “hard” approach
prone to adopt maternal approach to the physical comfort and needs of partner
interest is further maintained if partner welcomes this approach
prone to assume that partner will need help in practical, daily matters
neutral as to who ended a relationship, “power” is not seen as important in such matters

Perception of other romance styles

Victim: Caregivers tend to perceive Victims as puzzling and never contented, sometimes as paranoid and insecure.
Aggressor: Caregivers tend to perceive Aggressors as a bit over-the-top in their approach to romantic interactions and sexuality and ultimately not pleasant to have stable intimate relationships with.
Caregiver: Caregivers tend to perceive other Caregivers as comfortable partners, but ultimately somehow less than satisfactory.
Infantile: Caregivers tend to perceive Childlike types as delightful partners with a sense of fun that brings joy to their lives.

4. AGGRESSORS

- ESTp (aka ESTP in MBTI)
- ISTj (aka ISTP in MBTI)
- ESFp (aka ESFP in MBTI)
- ISFj (aka ISFP in MBTI)

The Aggressor types, identified as such by Viktor Gulenko, are the four types with Se in their ego. Despite the differences between these types in terms of temperament, base function, and quadra values, it seems that in the area of physical attraction, desire, flirting, and the like, in intimate relationships, the irrational ego element Se, coupled with their expectations of Ni style behavior in intimate partners, is the most visible factor in an Aggressor’s behavior.

This romance style is defined by focus on Se which is static, irrational, and extroverted. This means that an Aggressor sees attraction to another person as a static state, which he feels it is up to him to change in the direction more in agreement to his preference. This accounts for an Aggressor’s inclination to take the initiative in approaching the object of his interest and being “relentless” in his pursuit, as well as, even during an established relationship, continuing to try to “shake things up” or “get things moving”. If his partner is not receptive to such behavior, this discourages the Aggressor, and results in his interest cooling off.

Typical characteristics of the Aggressor romance style

no doubts about own interest in another person
not prone to hesitation about whether or not to reveal that interest
focus is more on own interest than whether or not the other person might reciprocate
romantic interaction is more about “toughness” than “tenderness”
needs to feel some sense of “superiority” over the partner, but worthwhile only if the partner is seen as able to largely “keep up”
this takes the form of power games, which others might regard as cruel or bitchy
in the case of female Aggressors with male partners, the above tends to assume the characteristic of a woman expecting total devotion from the partner, rather than her being “bossy”
little inclination to externally admit not having been the one to end a relationship, unless if adopting a “who cares” front simultaneously

Perception of other romance styles

Victim: Aggressors tend to perceive Victims simultaneously as pleasantly able to “keep up” regarding more “intensive” interactions, and also as not annoyingly prone to always wanting “to win”. Aggressor women perceive Victim men as totally devoted yet reassuringly “strong”.
Aggressor: Aggressors tend to perceive other Aggressors as exciting partners worthy of admiration and respect, but ultimately unsatisfactory due to a sense of never-ending competition for an ill-defined “upper hand”, which becomes frustrating.
Caregiver: Aggressors tend to perceive Caregivers as somewhat boring and patronizing.
Infantile: Aggressors tend to perceive Childlike types as too goofy and unexciting, ultimately not taking them seriously as partners.
 

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How is Katniss ISTJ? There was a good article written by a person on how people interact with others by functions. SJ are more maternal and paternal almost like they're babying a person. NP are child-like. SP are hard and aggressive because of of Se and Ni. Katniss wasn't maternal and paternal throughout the book like an Si and Ne users are. She was hard and aggressive. Katniss had Se and Ni. Katniss was not material throughout the entire series as an ISTJ would had or any SJ group. . Katniss preferred the hard and aggressive way unlike SJs who are easy and maternal. Anyways, Katniss did use Si in the book which is recalling past experience like when she was in the forest in the hunger games recalling past experience she had when she was a pre-teen. ISTPs can use Si though it's not a function they use all the time since Si is their shadow function.

3. CAREGIVERS

- ESTj (aka ESTJ in MBTI)
- ISTp (aka ISTJ in MBTI)
- ESFj (aka ESFJ in MBTI)
- ISFp (aka ISFJ in MBTI)

The Caregiver types, identified as such by Viktor Gulenko, are the four types with Si in their ego. Despite the differences between these types in terms of temperament, base function, and quadra values, it seems that in the area of physical attraction, desire, and flirting, the ego element Si is the most visible factor in determining Caregivers’ behavior.

This romance style is defined by focus on Si which is dynamic, irrational, and introverted, with perceptions of the present reality and physical sensations rather than inner imagery. This means that a Caregiver sees attraction between two individuals as a dynamic state, which he feels is completely natural, as he also sees the physical comfort and well-being of another person as dynamic. This accounts for a Caregiver’s inclination to focus on the mutual attraction, or particularly the attraction felt by the other person, as connected to that person’s physical well-being. The individual’s own dynamic and introverted Si perceptions lead to a sense of sleepy drifting in them, which makes him welcome Ne impulses from another person designed to shake him out of it from time to time.

Typical characteristics of the Caregiver romance style

attraction is naturally sparked by the perceived aesthetic attributes of the prospective partner, but cooled off if such attributes are accompanied by a perception of “too aggressive” sexuality
inclination towards tenderness, “soft” rather than “hard” approach
prone to adopt maternal approach to the physical comfort and needs of partner
interest is further maintained if partner welcomes this approach
prone to assume that partner will need help in practical, daily matters
neutral as to who ended a relationship, “power” is not seen as important in such matters

Perception of other romance styles

Victim: Caregivers tend to perceive Victims as puzzling and never contented, sometimes as paranoid and insecure.
Aggressor: Caregivers tend to perceive Aggressors as a bit over-the-top in their approach to romantic interactions and sexuality and ultimately not pleasant to have stable intimate relationships with.
Caregiver: Caregivers tend to perceive other Caregivers as comfortable partners, but ultimately somehow less than satisfactory.
Infantile: Caregivers tend to perceive Childlike types as delightful partners with a sense of fun that brings joy to their lives.

Socionics functions don't correlate to functions in MBTI, and the "traits" you named aren't necessarily logical conclusions from the functions' definitions. If you read socionics carefully, you will see that definitions differ.

Te doesn't even do paternal/maternal - it's hard and aggressive to Fe-Ti users.

And why would an SJ act maternal/paternal to anybody who doesn't fit that role?

And even if all the above points didn't exist, how is this description not fitting of how Katniss treats her sister, whom she pretty much has to parent, that girl who died trying to distract those big dudes?

As for the quote: How does this not fit how she treats Peeta when she grows to trust him?

This romance style is defined by focus on Si which is dynamic, irrational, and introverted, with perceptions of the present reality and physical sensations rather than inner imagery. This means that a Caregiver sees attraction between two individuals as a dynamic state, which he feels is completely natural, as he also sees the physical comfort and well-being of another person as dynamic. This accounts for a Caregiver’s inclination to focus on the mutual attraction, or particularly the attraction felt by the other person, as connected to that person’s physical well-being. The individual’s own dynamic and introverted Si perceptions lead to a sense of sleepy drifting in them, which makes him welcome Ne impulses from another person designed to shake him out of it from time to time.​
 

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Katniss seems like an ISTP to me.
 
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