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    "The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them that they are being attacked and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
    Reichsfuhrer Herman Goering at the Nuremburg trials.

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    The Dresden Dolls - INXJ
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    It's the devil's way now.

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    Rush - INTJ
    The Mars Volta - INFP, maybe ENFP
    Metallica - ESTJ
    Mastodon - ESTP
    Grateful Dead - INTP
    Phish - ENFP
    Dillinger Escape Plan - ENTP

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    Quote Originally Posted by babelfish View Post
    Don't get me started with Eminem. I won't say anything other than what this guy says

    Eminem: Nowadays everybody wanna talk
    But nothing comes out
    When they move the lips
    Its just a bunch of jibberish
    And motherfuckers act like Eminem aint' gay
    Everybody forgot
    What happened?

    Eminem: What up Dre
    Dre: Yeah
    Eminem: It's all about Dre
    Eminem: It's all about Dre
    Dre: Compton's in the house
    Eminem: Yeah, thats right Compton is in the house
    Dre: Come here pull down your panites you little bitch
    Eminem: Aiight, hold up dog go easy on me and shit you ripped my asshole last time
    Dre: Come get some of this Compton dick
    Eminem: Let me take off this white shirt so you can see my bird chest
    Dre: You wanna be famous?
    Eminem: Uh huh
    Dre: Spread that bitch ass
    Eminem: It's all about Dre
    Dre: Yeah, Compton
    Eminem: Uh, dog, your hurting me dog
    Dre: Your the tightest detriot rapper you little bitch
    Eminem: Your ripping my asshole dog, hold on a sec, wait don't bust
    Dre: Yeah
    Eminem: Hold on a sec, don't bust
    Dre: Come here
    Eminem: Wait, uh wait, uh, hold on don't bust
    Dre: Take all of this Compton dick
    Eminem: Hold on don't bust, do it on my lip like a milk ad
    Dre: Comptons in that ass
    Eminem: It's all about Dre
    Eminem: It's all about Dre, ahh ahh
    Dre: You wanna be famous you little bitch
    Eminem: Man don't tell Kim dog please, it's all about Dre
    Dre: Aiight, now get the fuck out of here
    Eminem: Aww shit

    Bitch boy mutha fucka
    You might have them 11 year old groupies
    Believing your shit
    But you ain't fooling nobody bitch
    You a mutha fuckin bitch

    You ain't never shot at us with no paint balls
    Matter of fact you can come get these painted balls, mutha fucka
    Come get these juggalo painted balls, bitch
    You ain't never chased us out of no club, bitch
    Only club you ever chased anybody out of was a gay bar, bitch.

    Straight out of Warren
    Bitch you a joke
    Sucking so much dick your fucking lips smoke
    With your silly ass pretty boy rap
    Mean muggin and thuggin sittin on Dre's lap.

    Pull a gat on my thug
    No bullets or nothin, you shaking
    Stumbling, nervous
    Fumbling, scared to death
    Screamin for help
    So damn shook you almost shot yourself.

    You're a radio thug with your preppy smile
    Got everybody hoppin out every 35 miles tellin us we fake
    Lil faggot, I'ma knock your teeth out the back of your neck

    You might have little girls cryin and shit
    But the detroit thugs aint buying your shit
    Run your ass back to Dr Dre and open your butt
    Little groupie ass boy get fucked!

    *chorus*
    Dumbass, hoeass, weakass, bitch!
    Eminem ain't nothing but a bitch (bitch)
    Eminem ain't nothing but a bitch (bitch)
    Weakass, markass, punkass, bitchass, bitch!
    Eminem ain't nothing but a bitch (bitch)
    Sissy ass radio bitch (bitch)

    Wait a minute don't run, what's up with that?
    I'm just trying to give you this 300 bucks back
    That you gave to Twiztid so you could open up they show
    You little pussy ass hoe

    Look at us dawg who put us on the map?
    3 plat, 2 gold, and we still like that
    We did it alone without D.R.E)
    But he owns and knows your butt like a puss

    Husband, tell me where she at
    Everybody be fucking that bitch you don't see that?
    I know 3 people she fucked on you
    Over at Hotrocks, she be fucking bitches too
    You told the world you gonna kill the slut
    Then you on tv licking her butt
    Be careful your prolly gonna taste my nut
    Cause even I be fucking that bitch raw, like what

    *chorus*
    Dumbass, hoeass, weakass, bitch!
    Eminem ain't nothing but a bitch (bitch)
    Eminem ain't nothing but a bitch (bitch)
    Weakass, markass, punkass, bitchass, bitch!
    Eminem ain't nothing but a bitch (bitch)
    Preppy ass teenie bop bitch (bitch)

    I remember yo ass at St. Andrews Hall, handing out yo flyers
    "Come one come all, come to my show"
    I looked at it, WHAT, right there
    "Insane Clown Posse might show up".

    What the fuck kind of rapper could be that lame
    Only way you draw people is to use our name
    I could have just fucked you up right there
    But I let it pass.
    I felt bad for ya bitch ass

    Everytime I met you your sucking dick
    Now your on the pop charts sucking dick
    You'll be sucking dick for eternity
    Look at ya mouth it look like a pussy
    I know that Slim Anus got to you
    Yeah only because it was so damn true
    When think of your daughter, it makes me sad
    She got a whore for a mama and a bitch ass dad

    *chorus*
    Dumbass, hoeass, weakass, bitch!
    Eminem ain't nothing but a bitch (bitch)
    Eminem ain't nothing but a bitch (bitch)
    Weakass, markass, punkass, bitchass, bitch!
    Eminem ain't nothing but a bitch (bitch)
    Top 40 pussy rap beotch (bitch)(bitch)(bitch)(bitch)(bitch)
    Eminem ain't nothing but a bitch (bitch)
    Eminem ain't nothing but a bitch (bitch)(bitch)(bitch)(bitch)(bitch)
    Eminem ain't nothing but a bitch (bitch)
    Mainstream pretty boy bitchhhhhhhhhhhhh (bitch)

    Sucka ass mother fucka
    Hitler ass haircut
    Bitchass mother fucking
    Boyband ass Top 40 Casey Casem
    Carson Daly dick suckin mutha fucka

    Icp - Eminem ain't nothin but a bitch Lyrics
    It's funny to read rationalizations of critics that want to portray Eminem as attacking the system for real... Eminem is a creature of his environment. He is the authentic voice of the poor, white working class. White trailer trash. He is what American capitalism has made him. His angst is real, his anger legit -- though misdirected at women and gays because of malign social forces. Like Elvis. Or Bill Clinton. One critic called him "our" Johnny Rotten. But where the Sex Pistols attacked the Queen, Eminem bashes queens. One's political, the other's not. And that's all the difference in the world.

    But then on top of this a second defense is layered: namely, that Eminem is a master satirist; that his lyrics-which some demented writer in "The London Guardian" declared as being the equal of, and in some ways superior to Robert Browning's -- are really an ironic expose of our own homophobia, mysogyny, class bias. He's our Swift, Twain, Ishmael Reed.

    Then, realizing there might be a potential conflict between defense A and defense B, a third one is proffered: namely, that the genius of Eminem is to be found in the "ambiguity" of his lyrics-which would, we guess, allow for him to be both "authentic" and "satirical". It's like there's an unreliable narrator at work, say the narrative voice in Henry James or Alain Robbe-Grillet.

    My little sister's birthday, she'll remember me
    For a gift I had ten of my boys take her virginity ("Mmm-mm-mmm!")
    And bitches know me as a horny-ass freak
    Their mother wasn't raped, I ate her female private part while she was 'sleep
    Pissy-drunk, throwin' up in the urinal
    ("You fuckin' homo!")
    That's what I said at my dad's funeral"

    From the song "Amityville"
    All these defenses are undermined by what Eminem himself has to say about what he's doing -- which is that the lyrics are a "gimmick", that "they don't mean what they say", and "aren't worth a grain of salt". In other words, it's all a put on, not for some satirical purpose, but merely because he and his label know that these kinds of exploitative lyrics appeal to pre-teens who share many of the same phobias/fantasies. In other words, it's not about making music, expressing the condition of the alienated working class in Detroit, but about making money. Eminem said this precisely in his attack on Napster. He's marketing hate to kids for money. It's that simple and not that different in kind from tobacco advertising -- which could be defended on artistic and First Amendment grounds as well, and indeed has been by the tobacco industry's hired guns.

    Eminem's lyrics are a kind of premeditated infantilism, but not a healthy regression toward the polymorphous perverse, but a summons to the thanatic impulse, a call for division, repression, an invocation of the very forces that have divided the working class for decades. He serves the interests of the State. The idea that Eminem might be "censored" is a ruse, and a tired one, and an insult to those who have truly been censored. Cross the powerful, question the System and you risk censorship, lawsuits, SLAPP suits, beatings, harassment or worse. As long as Eminem remains a whore for the corporations, he will continue to accumulate wealth and be shielded from the censors of the state. And he is a corporate mercenary, whether it's flacking for Nike or for the music industy's trade association, the Recording Industry Association of America. Let him rap by all means. To our minds, he's a hired gun from the poor part of town who preys on the powerless, extorts money from the poor, and celebrates a thuggish brand of gangster capitalism. His defenders and apologists in the critical world are just another arm of the very same industry.

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    Awesome analysis, groupie!

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    I want something much more different
    Not these factories or prisons
    I wish that the Earth was green again
    I wish I had a gun in my hand


    --Blackbird Raum

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    The White Stripes: INTP
    5w4 - Idiosyncratic/Leisurely/Dramatic
    It's the devil's way now.

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    No way, sister, the stripes are F, like INFP, even.

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    Oh boy. Let me try again.
    Nine Inch Nails: ENTP.
    Am I doing right?
    5w4 - Idiosyncratic/Leisurely/Dramatic
    It's the devil's way now.

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    That is good.

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