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    You are thinking of autism.

    There are a lot of Ni-dom (INTJ) aspies.

    I've read Joyce was an aspie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    You are thinking of autism.

    There are a lot of Ni-dom (INTJ) aspies.

    I've read Joyce was an aspie.
    According to this site, it's considered a symptom. And Asperger's is a form of autism after all.

    Lack of imagination and creative play - children with Asperger syndrome are often of average or above intelligence, and may be particularly good at learning facts and figures. However, they may also lack imagination and find creative play or thinking in the abstract very difficult.

    This means they may be particularly good at topics such as maths or history, but struggle with subjects such as philosophy, religious education or creative arts.
    If Asperger's should be associated with any of the functions, I would say Introverted Sensation is a better match.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VagrantFarce View Post
    If Asperger's should be associated with any of the functions, I would say Introverted Sensation is a better match.
    But you'd be wrong.

    Very wrong in fact?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    Well, I could easily dismiss that on the grounds that those people might have the wrong mbti type, or that they have incorrectly self-diagnosed themselves as so many people have on the internet (or indeed, historical figures!). Asperger's is all the rage for the socially maladjusted nowadays.

    The reason I say that Introverted Sensation is a better fit is because another common sympton of Asperger's (and Autism in general) is an ability to filter large amounts of data for very specific information (which they then collect, for example car licence plates starting with a 7), which is a textbook definition of using Introverted Sensation.

    Anyway, I find it hard to beleive that a person with dominant Introverted Intuition has problems thinking abstractly. That just doesn't work.
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    After reading Ulysses, Joyce is definitely Ni dominant, and I'm inclined to say he's an INFJ. The symbolism of Leopold Bloom as a Christ-figure and the empathy Joyce communicates through his character seem to point towards F. And throughout the novel, Joyce is very concerned with the moral judgments of his society. Bloom acts to point out the other characters' misguided beliefs.

    Anyone else read Ulysses? What type do you think the main characters are? Here are my guesses on some:

    Leopold Bloom: IxFJ
    Stephen Dedalus: INxJ
    Molly Bloom: xSFP

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    I have to admit that I've never fully read Ulysses. I simply hated it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VagrantFarce View Post
    Well, I could easily dismiss that on the grounds that those people might have the wrong mbti type, or that they have incorrectly self-diagnosed themselves as so many people have on the internet (or indeed, historical figures!). Asperger's is all the rage for the socially maladjusted nowadays.

    The reason I say that Introverted Sensation is a better fit is because another common sympton of Asperger's (and Autism in general) is an ability to filter large amounts of data for very specific information (which they then collect, for example car licence plates starting with a 7), which is a textbook definition of using Introverted Sensation.
    And what qualifies you to dismiss the evidence and opinions of experts and sufferers alike in favour of your own simplistic notions on the subject?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    And what qualifies you to dismiss the evidence and opinions of experts and sufferers alike in favour of your own simplistic notions on the subject?
    Well, the simple fact that one of the three main symptoms of Asperger's is a lack of imagination and abstract thinking. Dominant Ni types are easily the most abstract of the 16 types. Either those people have their MBTI type wrong, or they don't have Asperger's.

    And yes, a lot of people on the internet like to excuse their social maladjustment with Asperger's, just like in the 1990s people would excuse their child's inability to pay attention with ADD. I don't disbelieve that it's a real syndrome with real sufferers (even though it's been disputed as to whether it should be considered an actual disability, rather than a different cognitive style), but there is a lot of speculative self-diagnosing aimed at people who are, quite frankly, just introverted and a bit geeky. Just because you find it hard to talk to people and have very specific interests isn't enough to confirm that you have Aspergers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VagrantFarce View Post
    Well, the simple fact that one of the three main symptoms of Asperger's is a lack of imagination and abstract thinking. Dominant Ni types are easily the most abstract of the 16 types. Either those people have their MBTI type wrong, or they don't have Asperger's.
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    The simple fact is, you don't know what you are talking about.

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