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The Joker (the Dark Knight)

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The Joker - ENTP

Also:

Batman - ISTP
Alfred - ISFJ
 

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I can't seem to disagree, but I don't have a strong opinion on Alfred.
 

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Hmmm...You know, I often wonder if the Ts in a type are supposed to somehow be related to planning and whatnot....every type can be have plans....Joker being a chaotic character (he has a plan in the sense that he has his values, which are very well defined, but he carries out "the plan" in a pretty chaotic fashion)... F wouldn't feel out of place.

I think he might be an idealist (NF). I think there is this idea that NFs can't be evil or something...I mean, how many villains are typed as NF? But at the end of the day it's how the person uses his/her functions right? Would a NT leave his life to chance (hospital scene) ?

So my question is why not ENFP?

I'd say Harvey might be an ENTP.
 
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Hmmm...You know, I often wonder if the Ts in a type are supposed to somehow be related with planning and whatnot....Joker being a truly chaotic character... F wouldn't feel out of place.

I think he might be an idealist (NF). I think there is this idea that NFs can't be evil or something...I mean, how many villains are typed as NF? But at the end of the day is how the person uses his/her functions right? Would a NT leave his life to chance (hospital scene) ?

So my question is why not ENFP?

Oh yes I agree. I don't think an ENTP would have as much insight into peoples motivations as easily as the Joker did. ENFP on the other hand, totally.

That's what I thought when I watched it.
 

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Hmmm...You know, I often wonder if the Ts in a type are supposed to somehow be related to planning and whatnot....every type can be have plans....Joker being a chaotic character (he has a plan in the sense that he has his values, which are very well defined, but he carries out "the plan" in a pretty chaotic fashion)... F wouldn't feel out of place.

I think he might be an idealist (NF). I think there is this idea that NFs can't be evil or something...I mean, how many villains are typed as NF? But at the end of the day it's how the person uses his/her functions right? Would a NT leave his life to chance (hospital scene) ?

So my question is why not ENFP?

I'd say Harvey might be an ENTP.

good point. why ENTP for Harvey?
 

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harvey dent - estj (thank you above)
the joker - intj (somewhat stuck in his own logical system unaware of "the real world" thats not a bash on intjs)
batman - istp
alfred - enfj imo
 

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harvey dent - estj (thank you above)
the joker - intj (somewhat stuck in his own logical system unaware of "the real world" thats not a bash on intjs)
batman - istp
alfred - enfj imo

Re: alfred.

I think its often hard to tell with older people the E and I because it becomes very balanced with age. (in a healthy person or some one who's just past care).
 

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the joker - intj (somewhat stuck in his own logical system unaware of "the real world" thats not a bash on intjs)

I don't think the joker is capable of introspection.
 

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I don't think the joker is capable of introspection.

He was excellent at extrospection.

He was also very WYSIWYG. He didn't cop-out, he was truly amoral.
 

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what you see is what you get

I think, I mean, I didn't know previously.
 

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Yes, but then he had multiple stories for how he got his scar.
 

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How could anyone think Batman wasn't a planner?!? That is his whole deal, preparation, planning... I think he's INFJ. He's a crusader against crime! His parent's death affected him so much that he still can't deal with it. His hatred for criminals is an F thing. A personal vendetta. Every INFJ I've known is super-passionate about something (animal rights, human rights, orphaned children, etc.) and their idealistic nature makes them irrational about it. Batman is irrational about his crusade against crime...

Joker is ISTP. He is an artist of chaos. He doesn't plan, but adapts to the situation.
 

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How could anyone think Batman wasn't a planner?!? That is his whole deal, preparation, planning...

Planning can be J.
It can also be T.

I think he's INFJ. He's a crusader against crime! His parent's death affected him so much that he still can't deal with it. His hatred for criminals is an F thing. A personal vendetta.

So T people can't have a personal vendetta against anything?

The question more is the strength of the vendetta. Is it this strong because he is INFJ? Or would be stronger if he was INFJ?

Every INFJ I've known is super-passionate about something (animal rights, human rights, orphaned children, etc.) and their idealistic nature makes them irrational about it. Batman is irrational about his crusade against crime...

I don't know. He seems pretty rational to me in his behavior and focus, although his intensity might seem irrational

When it comes to type, the bottom line is that: People are forced into extremely traumatic situations that demand particular survival skills for them to cope are going to break type convention. All bets are off. You really have to do a full assessment "with many pegs driven into the board" before you can get a good picture.
 

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I guess it's a matter of opinion. I don't think Batman is very rational at all.
 

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I definitely feel Batman is an F, he is too pasionate in his persuits and values not to be IMO. And INFJ is definitely a reasonable thought to me.

And the Joker, I dont think he can be typed hes insane...end of story.

And Alfred is a complete ISFJ IMO too protective.
 
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