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    Joker is an ENTP or an ENFP. In a way the way he was played reminded me of Robert Downey Jr. He often is confused as one or the other. The bouyant personality, the incredible adaptibility, maintaining quality throughout wide variety of subjects, and all very charismatic while doing it. To me, Joker was the most appealing character out of all on the screen. Everything he said made some sense to me, and I remember watching that with a girl, meaning I wasn't even paying all my mind on the screen the whole time, and yet and still I felt his presence. He just carries himself like an E. There is no doubt in my bone that a only a man with EN, even when crazy, goes through a scene like bazooking, leaning head out car, laughing at a henchmen being shocked, and continuing on without a flinch.

    I mean, honestly, the guy is an ENxP without a doubt.

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    The Joker is ENTP in most of his depictions. The Joker in the Dark Knight however, is far too deliberate. He's an ENTJ, and spends half the movie playing Xanatos speed chess across Gotham with the INTJ Batman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZPowers View Post
    Something I posted in another thread:

    I still think there's a strong argument to be made that Joker's a feeler, not a thinker. He's manipulative, so emotionally manipulative he can even drive people mad with ease and sometimes still be totally charming to them (he can appear completely empathetic if he needs to). He takes a lot more pleasure in enjoying people's pain and tribulations than necessarily searching for a clear goal or. Between the "some men aren't looking for anything logical" (Joker's ten times more passionate than rational) speech and the "I use a knife because I savor all the little emotions . . . I knew your friends better than you did" bit, he always strikes me as having more fun playing in the realm of people's reactions and feelings and than he does with concrete and logical ideas and motives.

    In fact, he doesn't care at all about money or power. He wants social change. He wants to make other people understand they are living in what he considers a lie. Watch the end of the Dark Knight, when he seems genuinely saddened the two boats didn't blow each other up, basically rejecting or criticizing him and all he stands for. He seems to take it sort of hard. And his relationship with Batman is, to him, very, very real. "You complete me" seems heartfelt. He seems upset in a similar way in "The Killing Joke" when asking Batman why he doesn't understand why it's funny, why he isn't laughing. On top of that, when Batman's off the scene, Joker takes it so hard he just stops being the Joker. See The Dark Knight Returns, when he loses his smile and goes next to comatose because Batman isn't out there to be his equal. Considering what others think and feel is extremely important to how Joker makes decisions.
    Imagine NeFe gone brutal, and, its need to satiate its own curiosity manifested through calculating Ti precision of plan.

    Humans become social experiments

    Set up situations, watch how they act.

    As for ENFP vs ENTP, I would lean more towards the latter, because he doesn't seem to have any access to his personal compass, of what he really wants, himself - except for thrills rising out of external chaos.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    The Joker is ENTP in most of his depictions. The Joker in the Dark Knight however, is far too deliberate.
    I don't think you know how deliberate and calculating an ENTP could be in the throes of satiating a grand curiosity of theirs. It's the drive to "master", to become the puppet-master. To conquer it to that level, where it goes from a complex puzzle, to a mere chew toy.

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    Thats why there is no question to me he is either ENFP or ENTP. I'm leaning to the latter too, just because its the Joker and him being an eNFP would make us too cool. But I degress, the point is that the guy socially experiments, and is so charming about it. He's not just my favorite villian, he is one of my favorite characters ever created.

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    Batman is INFJ. He is way idealistic, and quite vigilante. Doesn't care about the cops' rules, he goes by his own intense feelings. Batman's type isn't even a discussion..

    I'd say Joker is ENTP too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deep rain View Post
    Batman is INFJ. He is way idealistic, and quite vigilante. Doesn't care about the cops' rules, he goes by his own intense feelings.
    Correct -- he goes by his own intense feelings, which is something that Fi types (xxFP and xxTJ) do -- not Fe types (xxTP and xxFJ). Batman is INTJ in the Dark Knight series.
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    Would that be the same for typing for Bruce Wayne too?

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    Bruce Wayne acts like an ESFP, but Bruce Wayne is the mask -- inside his head, Bruce is Batman.
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    ...Like the Kill Bill Superman speech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Correct -- he goes by his own intense feelings, which is something that Fi types (xxFP and xxTJ) do -- not Fe types (xxTP and xxFJ). Batman is INTJ in the Dark Knight series.
    INFJ, INTJ, whatever.. basically he's very INxJ-like. I hear in some other depictions he's INFJ, others INTJ.
    Someone on here thought him as ISTP, and I needed to correct them; he's NJ!

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