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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    I feel that way every time I read one of Vagrant's posts.


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    Meh. That's it. Last time I'm typing fictional characters surfing the interwebz.
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    So when are we typing Pooh bear ?

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    Come on guys. I don't even see where the argument is. Clearly the Joker is an ISFJ. Just read the damn comics. Geesh...

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    Quote Originally Posted by VagrantFarce View Post
    But what if Joker thinks he's doing all of this for the greater good? What if he thinks he's helping people come together in a time where people are too emotionally detached from each other? Sure he doesn't say this or hint at anything like this, but, I mean, come on guys! It's obvious he's an ENFJ!

    Seriously guys, The Joker is an ENTP. When people talk about ENTPs and they want to illustrate the type, The Joker is at the top of that list. He embodies an archetype, he is an archetypal villian, he is an archetypal ENTP. ENTP ENTP ENTP ENTP
    I'm afraid you missed the point.

    Joker does behave like an ENTP. His plans do seem ENTP-ish. Chaos is indeed a very ENTP thing to create.

    However, his grander scheme is very similar to every NTJ villain there is. He definitely DOES use Ni - he seems to know what's going on in characters' mind and skilfully manipulates it.

    In other words, as I've already stated, he's both ENTJ and ENTP in a way. He's created to have a good grasp on Ni, because Batman is Si and he completely lacks the foresight of it. In all other ways he's created to be ENTP-ish because it corresponds better with his random 'madness' and because it creates chaos which Batman (representing the order) has to deal with.


    P. S. I've been talking only about the Joker in The Dark Knight. The one in Batman from 1989 was certainly an ENTP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince View Post
    So when are we typing Pooh bear ?
    Vagrant is already typed.

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    I think the Joker is a Jack Nicholson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Space_Oddity View Post
    I'm afraid you missed the point.

    Joker does behave like an ENTP. His plans do seem ENTP-ish. Chaos is indeed a very ENTP thing to create.

    However, his grander scheme is very similar to every NTJ villain there is. He definitely DOES use Ni - he seems to know what's going on in characters' mind and skilfully manipulates it.

    In other words, as I've already stated, he's both ENTJ and ENTP in a way. He's created to have a good grasp on Ni, because Batman is Si and he completely lacks the foresight of it. In all other ways he's created to be ENTP-ish because it corresponds better with his random 'madness' and because it creates chaos which Batman (representing the order) has to deal with.


    P. S. I've been talking only about the Joker in The Dark Knight. The one in Batman from 1989 was certainly an ENTP.

    Im only going to say this one more time.

    His "grand scheme" of sending gotham into chaos isnt ni "vision", its inferior Si taken TO THE MAX.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valuable_Money View Post
    His "grand scheme" of sending gotham into chaos isnt ni "vision", its inferior Si taken TO THE MAX.
    Valuable_Money,

    I was NOT talking about the GOAL.

    I was talking about the way he manipulates people.

    He constantly screws up with their minds. He always knows what they're going to do next. He's got a formidable foresight, just like every other NTJ villain or anti-hero. If his plans fail (which sometimes happens to every NTJ villain or anti-hero), he quickly (Ne, if you insist - perhaps just intelligence) creates another, which is again based on Ni.

    Even if the only ENTJ thing about Joker was his Ni and the rest was all ENTP, it is there.

    That's what makes him so interesting. And so different from Nicholson's Joker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Space_Oddity View Post
    Valuable_Money,

    I was NOT talking about the GOAL.

    I was talking about the way he manipulates people.

    He constantly screws up with their minds. He always knows what they're going to do next. He's got a formidable foresight, just like every other NTJ villain or anti-hero. If his plans fail (which sometimes happens to every NTJ villain or anti-hero), he quickly (Ne, if you insist - perhaps just intelligence) creates another, which is again based on Ni.

    Even if the only ENTJ thing about Joker was his Ni and the rest was all ENTP, it is there.

    That's what makes him so interesting. And so different from Nicholson's Joker.
    Manipulating people can just as easily be Tertiary-Fe. In fact, I'm pretty sure ENTPs tend to be stereotyped as con-men.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VagrantFarce View Post
    Manipulating people can just as easily be Tertiary-Fe. In fact, I'm pretty sure ENTPs tend to be stereotyped as con-men.
    Actualy I think ESTP gets that more but yes.
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