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    Just saw this masterpiece recently.

    Ofelia - INFP
    Ofelia's mother (Carmen) - IXFX
    Captain Vidal - ESTJ
    Mercedes - XNFJ
    The faun - ENTJ

    Wonder what anyone else thinks?
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    Ofelia's mother - I'm going to go with ISFJ. Just because.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Grey Badger View Post
    Ofelia's mother - I'm going to go with ISFJ. Just because.
    I can see that, however she could also be an INFP who's options have been severly narrowed who just wants the best for her kids

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    Quote Originally Posted by dynamiteninja View Post
    Just saw this masterpiece recently.

    Ofelia - INFP
    Ofelia's mother (Carmen) - IXFX
    Captain Vidal - ESTJ
    Mercedes - IXFJ
    The faun - ENTJ

    Wonder what anyone else thinks?
    Lol I was thinking Captain Vidal was ENTJ...I think people have a tendency to always see the villain as their opposite type. IRL though every ENTJ I've met, I've liked.

    ESTJ could definitley work though IMO.

    ETA: I think Mercedes is an ENFJ.

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    Amazing film. Actually when I saw it I was thinking a lot about N versus S. I felt Ofelia was a classical N, dreaming, while being looked down upon by "mature" and "grown-up" Ss. The contrasts of the movie was enormous as well, underlining this, with the at times extreme realism of the civil war contrasting Ofelias storyline. The director obviously wasn't thinking in N versus S terms, but dreaming and hoping versus realism or something along those lines really seemed to be a conscious theme on the director's part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dynamiteninja View Post
    I can see that, however she could also be an INFP who's options have been severly narrowed who just wants the best for her kids
    I can see that too. INFP I mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunshine View Post
    ETA: I think Mercedes is an ENFJ.
    I'll go with that. Definelty NFJ, but her role in the movie does not really allow her to express I or E either way.

    I think that Captain Vidal is an ESTJ because he reacts to events around him as they happen but does not really plan ahead. Also, there are no hidden depths to him to suggest an N type. Also, I feel that subconciously the director was pitting Ofelia against her opposite MBTI type in the film, in an INFP style "good versus evil" type thing. I think the director is INFP.

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    Hidden depths is not the way to type.

    N does not necessarily mean hidden depths and S definitly does NOT mean an automatic lack of hidden depth.

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    I am thinking: What the hell was N about the captain!? All I saw was S. It was beyond obvious. Typically Ns are open-minded, for example, but he was as close-minded as they get...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunshine
    Hidden depths is not the way to type.

    N does not necessarily mean hidden depths and S definitly does NOT mean an automatic lack of hidden depth.
    To me, it depends on how you're defining depth. I get the sense that you're associating depth with intelligence, insight and wisdom, in which case I think Ns and Ss have different kinds of intelligence, insight and wisdom.

    I don't think it's anyone's fault for associating depth with Ns when iNtuition is said to deal with concepts, patterns, and meanings; in other words, it sounds a great deal more deep than Sensing, which focuses on the concrete information a person experiences via their five senses. I think it's a touchy subject, and I definitely think there is an underlying belief at MBTIc that Ns are more intelligent than Ss.

    I just like to think that Ns and Ss have different kinds of intelligence.

    On an internet discussion forum focusing heavily on psychology, iNtuition is probably going to be more valued simply because this medium and these topics draw a lot more Ns than Ss. Is it fair? Nah, but if you stick an N in a pastime that favors Ss, such as, say... any sport, there is going to be the same thing happening in reverse.

    I think Ss tend to be a hell of a lot more observant and aware of their environment; they're thought to be more practical, factual, and present in the moment, whereas Ns just tend to be more focused on the meanings and impressions they find beyond the factual information. So again, I don't think it's illogical to associate iNtuition with depth, as long as your definition of depth lines up with the definition of iNtuition. *shrug* Still, I also don't begrudge anyone their preference to define depth in a way that includes Ss. I can see both sides. It just depends on how you define depth, really.

    As for the typing... um, carry on. I've seen this movie, and I like it. I'd agree that Ophelia is some type of N, because she is so damn imaginative (a definite characteristic of Ns, which is just one more reason why Ninja probably associated iNtuition with depth).

    I'd also say the evil Captain is definitely ETJ. ETJ because ETJs are good at directing and giving orders and responsibilities to people, and he was a captain. Very most likely an S, because he seemed incredibly observant. Remember the scene where he noticed the chalk on the table/floor? Near the end, when Ophelia was trying to steal the baby and left the chalk lying out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Splittet View Post
    Amazing film. Actually when I saw it I was thinking a lot about N versus S. I felt Ofelia was a classical N, dreaming, while being looked down upon by "mature" and "grown-up" Ss. The contrasts of the movie was enormous as well, underlining this, with the at times extreme realism of the civil war contrasting Ofelias storyline. The director obviously wasn't thinking in N versus S terms, but dreaming and hoping versus realism or something along those lines really seemed to be a conscious theme on the director's part.
    Definitely. I agree.
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