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    Quote Originally Posted by toonia View Post
    From the accounts I've heard of his life growing up and so forth... ESTP

    He was a ringleader, bully, pulling practical jokes, etc.

    ESTPs have all the same functions as INFJs, but in a different order - fwiw.

    Don't underestimate STs - they more than most types can successfully manipulate the concrete world to their goals. People who make a strong impact outward as a persona could well be Ss more often than Ns who draw people into their internal vision. A strong N like Beethoven made a impact with ideas more than as a persona. His persona is strong but his ideas don't rely on it for their force whereas Hitler and MManson need their persona more than their ideas.
    ESTPs are more hands on, though.

    From what I've read about the Fuehrer's upbringing, he very much had an NF persona; his father, probably an SJ, abused him because he was a dreamer.

    And in Mein Kampf, his intentions were clearly mapped in his mind. By this time, he had a clear vision of a Third Reich. He was very future oriented, SPs are very present oriented.

    And any dominant Extravert has power to manipulate a crowd (Martin Luther King, Jr., ENFJ, technically did this, as well), but what's different is the person's intentions, which is an entirely different conversation. One would argue that MLK was more persuasive, but that's really just a more positive way of saying manipulative.

    His interests were art, philosophy, symbolism, and history -- something that many NFs seem to be interested in. Hitler was also a generalizer -- an iNtuitive trait -- and combined with a J function, allowed his stereotypical views to be unbending.

    SPs and NJs could seem a lot alike. An SP, however, is physical for the pure enjoyment, while an NJ might be physical to achieve an end.

    And lastly, an F preference. Hitler's vision was for the good of the people he considered superior (this is something that personality does not dictate). In unbiased terms, he had a dream for the greater good of his own personal view of humanity.

    But that's just my impression...

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    Adolf Hitler was a muddled, but unfortunately insidious and relentless, lunatic. His character defies type analysis.

    On topic: Dave Gahan, ENFP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    ESTPs are more hands on, though.

    From what I've read about the Fuehrer's upbringing, he very much had an NF persona; his father, probably an SJ, abused him because he was a dreamer.

    And in Mein Kampf, his intentions were clearly mapped in his mind. By this time, he had a clear vision of a Third Reich. He was very future oriented, SPs are very present oriented...
    I think it bears more study.

    For example, if you examine his artistic ability, he showed a photographic memory for architecture -- he was able to draw in great detail any building he studied, without looking back at the building for reference. This sort of artistic ability is very much more common to S types. And he was rejected from art school because the teachers felt he did not have "vision" for his art, it all very much replication. Again, very much S.

    And anyone can have vision. I've known lots of S's who thought they had vision for the future... but their vision usually ends up being flawed because they're not N's. A former boss of mine actually claimed he was an N (he took the test), but he was clearly an ESFP type.

    Hitler is rather enigmatic, isn't he?
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    Hitler is dead and therefore !

    Although I do appreciate seeing his name on an internet forum with Godwin's Law nowhere in sight.

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    Yes, Economica, actually, that was a test I did. I wanted to see what would happen -- for the most part, everyone seemed objective, but I'll stop now.

    Anyway:

    J.K. Rowling, ENFP

    Tobey Maguire, INFJ (judging by things I've read about him)

    Shawn Ryan (creator of The Shield), ENFP

    Walton Goggins (Shane in The Shield), INFJ (in his interviews, he's very quiet, deep, and thoughtful)

    Ang Lee, INFP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    J.K. Rowling, ENFP
    What makes you think she is extroverted?

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    Harlan Ellison is the most cantankerous ENFP that ever lived.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhu View Post
    Harlan Ellison is the most cantankerous ENFP that ever lived.
    INFJ

    Maybe.

    He does shoot off his mouth an awful lot, though, doesn't he?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
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    Maybe.

    He does shoot off his mouth an awful lot, though, doesn't he?
    And protest. And demonstrate. And do all sorts of vengeful things.

    I'm not going to budge on the E. His worldview seems to be more reflective than inventive, so I'm leaning towards Ne as his lead function; his fieryness seems more from a lack of restraint than a desire for imposition...

    ...that said, I could also make a case for ENFJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhu View Post
    And protest. And demonstrate. And do all sorts of vengeful things.

    I'm not going to budge on the E. His worldview seems to be more reflective than inventive, so I'm leaning towards Ne as his lead function; his fieryness seems more from a lack of restraint than a desire for imposition...

    ...that said, I could also make a case for ENFJ.
    You could be right.

    I am probably coming more from the other side of things where E's tend to not develop their writing to Ellison's level -- which is very controlled, precise, and immaculate -- because they'd rather interact directly with others.

    I guess that's not entirely accurate, since I think ENTPs can be very good authors as well if they have developed a writer's mentality, they are quite good at picking up the way people speak.

    But I don't sense much "play" in Ellison's work. When I read his pieces, I have a very distinct feeling that he has considered EVERY word carefully, and it is perfectly aligned and balanced and controlled and in its proper place, and heaven forbid anyone touch it. It's almost as if the story came out of his head in finished form -- and really, considering the speed at which he can construct his stories, that's almost the way I think it happens. He writes very quickly, he KNOWS what he's going to say and how he's going to say it.

    Which is why I'd go more "J" with him (it's less an exploratory process for him), than "P" (for whom the writing often is as much a surprise to them as to the reader, and it informs them as they go, leading to revision).
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