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    I haven't found a thread yet for this trilogy, so I decided to start one. Please share your analysis of the characters.

    This is my best assessment.

    Bilbo Baggins: ISFJ (Martin Freeman gives him some ENTP-ish mannerisms)

    Thorin Oakenshield: ESTJ

    Gandalf: ESFP

    Balin: ESFJ

    Azog: ISTJ

    Bard the Bowman: ENTJ

    Tauriel: xSFJ?

    Thranduil: INFP

    Smaug: INFJ

    Radaghast: ISFJ

    Beorn: ISTJ

    Bolg: ISTP

    Dwalin: ESTP

    Bofur: ENFP

    Kili: ISTP

    Fili: ISFP

    Gloin: ESTP

    Goblin-King: ENTP

    Master of the Lake: ESFP

    Dain Ironfoot: ESTP

    Sauron: ENTP (based mostly on "The Silmarillion", but the movie corroborates the textual depictions)
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    Why INFJ for Smaug? Is it because you liked him?

    My impression of him (and many of the dragons in Tolkien's works) is that they are either domineering TJ types or lazy (like Glaurung in Unfinished Tales & maybe Silmarillian?) manipulative types who use their voices to hypnotise others...which has nothing to do with MBTI but Smaug's demeanor always came across as ITP to me, specifically INTP. He didn't really give a shit about what Sauron was up to, he was happy to chill on his gold and challenge burglars to riddles.
    On the other hand he does have that lust for gold in the first place.....meh I dunno. Mythical creatures are always hard to type....so the most mythical type INFJ works because of mind brain working out the stuffs.
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    Gandalf ESFP? Smaug INFJ? Err.
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    Quote Originally Posted by velveteen View Post
    Gandalf ESFP? Smaug INFJ? Err.
    According to Peter Jackson's vision, i don't think OP is far away from the truth. Gandalf is a heavy SE user in the movies. With extra fireworks and all.
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    I realize that INFJ for Smaug is controversial, so below is a very brief explanation of my conclusion.

    Smaug deals a lot in hidden meanings/symbols/metaphors/similes, and he seems to always look for what's beneath the surface. His control-freak/brute mode is consistent with the experiences of INxJs in distress (in the grip of Se, if you will). Plus, he's awfully vulnerable to flattery; the book says that Smaug is moved by compliments even if he knows they're insincere (I can't imagine that for a T type). It's also worth noting that he's a master of psychological warfare.

    While INFJs are not typically associated with "bad" or "evil", feelings of elitism can sometimes overpower their moral compass. I think that's what you have with Smaug. He thinks very highly of himself, and very low of everyone else.

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    This thread is meant for everyone to share their analysis of the cast; feel free to post yours. I'm really interested in what people think of each character

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eluded_One View Post
    According to Peter Jackson's vision, i don't think OP is far away from the truth. Gandalf is a heavy SE user in the movies. With extra fireworks and all.
    Thank you for noticing (I was beginning to wonder if I was alone in that observation) PJ's Gandalf is so different from the canonical version that it's impossible to type them the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Studmuffin23 View Post
    I realize that INFJ for Smaug is controversial, so below is a very brief explanation of my conclusion.

    Smaug deals a lot in hidden meanings/symbols/metaphors/similes, and he seems to always look for what's beneath the surface. His control-freak/brute mode is consistent with the experiences of INxJs in distress (in the grip of Se, if you will). Plus, he's awfully vulnerable to flattery; the book says that Smaug is moved by compliments even if he knows they're insincere (I can't imagine that for a T type). It's also worth noting that he's a master of psychological warfare.

    While INFJs are not typically associated with "bad" or "evil", feelings of elitism can sometimes overpower their moral compass. I think that's what you have with Smaug. He thinks very highly of himself, and very low of everyone else.
    When does Smaug demonstrate looking for hidden meanings and symbols? He's just an avatar of greed and rampant materialism like all Tolkien's dragons. Actually I can see him as ISTJ over INFJ easily, he basically views the world through his strength in it and adopts an arrogant assumption about the way the world works, hence his boasting to Bilbo of his strength and power.

    If anything Jackson's movies demonstrate this more than the book does. He's easily incensed by people crossing into his territory and disrespecting his authority of influence. It's a common trope in fantasy stories to have an intelligent monster guarding something through possessiveness and invented authority because of might makes right. ISTJ doesn't have to mean following someone else's status quo after all and Smaug couldn't give a shit about Sauron, although Sauron did want him on his side.

    And flattery works on anyone with swollen pride, or if it's sincere depending on the person and your relation to them.
    'One of (Lucas) Cranach's masterpieces, discussed by (Joseph) Koerner, is in it's self-referentiality the perfect expression of left-hemisphere emptiness and a precursor of post-modernism. There is no longer anything to point to beyond, nothing Other, so it points pointlessly to itself.' - Iain McGilChrist

    Suppose a tree fell down, Pooh, when we were underneath it?"
    "Suppose it didn't," said Pooh, after careful thought.
    Piglet was comforted by this.
    - A.A. Milne.

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    Um. We left out a very important character: Tauriel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bilbotook View Post
    Besides The Lord of the Rings, The Hobbit is my favorite book of all time. And the movies were a spectacular detailed take on the book. I came up with a list of all of the types of the characters.

    Bilbo Baggins-ISFJ
    Gandalf-INTJ
    Thorin Oakenshield-ISTJ
    Balin-ENFJ
    Dwalin-ESTP
    Fili-ESFJ
    Kili-ENFP
    Oin-ENTP
    Gloin-ESTP
    Dori-ESFJ
    Nori-ESTP
    Ori-ISFP
    Bifur-ESTP
    Bofur-ESFP
    Bombur-ISFP
    Azog-ESTJ
    Bolg-ESTP
    The Necromancer-INTJ
    Thranduil-ESTJ
    Legolas-ESTJ (ISFP in LOTR)
    Tauriel-ENFJ
    Bard-ISTJ
    Bain-ISFJ
    Beorn-ISTP
    Radagst-ESFJ
    Sauruman-ENTJ
    Elrond-INTJ
    Galadriel-INFJ
    Gwaihir-INTP
    The Master of Lake Town-ESTJ
    Alfrid-ESTJ
    Dain Ironfoot-ESTJ
    Smaug-ENTJ

    So, did you agree or disagree with this list. I want to hear from you. And in case you were like, "Awe man, no INFP's" I can tell you that J.R.R.Tolkien himself is an INFP.
    Always great to meet another Tolkien fan!

    To be completely honest, I cannot agree 80% of your typings. Your rationale is pretty good (definitely can see where you're coming from), but a lot of them simply don't hold up to cognitive function-based analysis.

    Then again, some of your typings are right on the money: particularly Bilbo and Dwalin.

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