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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    He was said to be part Jewish himself! Clearly, some repressed, "not me" sense from the unconscious that is typical of the shadow.
    They can't really confirm that he was indeed part Jewish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tradewind View Post
    Hitler was known to leave his left over food on a plate on his floor before he went to bed. He said he left the crumbs for the mice because he knew what it was like to starve.

    Sounds like an F to me.
    A T in tertiary or inferior mode could do that.
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    I guess someone had a reason to put him here.

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    I'm not sure how much of this has been said already, but whatever. here we go:

    Quote Originally Posted by sleepless View Post
    I searched here and there on the net and was quite surprised that many people seem to think of Hitler as an MBTI idealist - INFJ, ENFJ and even INFP (!) are some of the various suggestions I encountered. (Among other things I read through an old thread on INTJforum and some people even said he was a sensor.) From how I understand MBTI and the eight functions this is nothing but ridiculous, but then, it seems like people understand the functions differently, or they don't understand them at all but are happy with just the letters.
    Nope -- I just understand Hitler enough to know that OMGz hes eeeevul does not disqualify Fe.

    Introverted Intuition
    Anyone who doesn't agree with this? Well actually, this far people does seem to be agreed, more or less. Hitler was driven by an inner vision, Deutschland �ber Alles, Lebensraum, World Domination, all that crap. When he was younger, hanging out with his NSDAP buddies, he could be silent for long periods of time, and then suddenly burst into speech, and when he talked he could do so for hours.
    This is correct of course, but it's worthy of note that his inner vision was not so personal (the way an INTJ's would be) -- it was based on what would benefit the German people, and their general beliefs.

    Extraverted Thinking
    Secondary function, according to me then, is Te - organization, efficiency, decisiveness, toughness. Te is impersonal and sees what needs to be done (whatever that is) and how to get there, no matter if other people will protest or, ultimately, get hurt by it. It doesn't, like Fe, stop and say: "Is everyone okay with this?" People are secondary to the project at hand.
    This is where you started royally fucking up. Hitler was notoriously bad at objective organization, and was a famously horrible strategist. He was, however, very concerned with social harmony and well-being among the German people and among his officers, even if not universally. That is, he had the standard Fe behavioral pattern of being guided by the values and desires of those he felt emotionally connected to, as opposed to those he didn't.

    Introverted Feeling
    This third function, sadly misdirected, undoubtedly helped to fuel the little moustasche-man's feeling of humiliation and thirst for revenge: "The jews didn't let me in to their art's school, so I hate them", "The war was unfair and so was the Treaty of Versailles, just wait till next time", and so on. And yes, the Versailles-thing was very unfair, but in a more balanced person, and with a more developed Fi, the hurt feelings would have had a chance to transform into acceptance and forgiveness, instead of being a source of sheer hatred.
    I doubt this is accurate. For one thing the Final Solution was just an extreme measure based on an official party platform position of the NSDAP -- the one on which they campaigned and got elected. The German people in general were very antisemitic. For another, Hitler didn't even engineer the Final Solution himself. Himmler (likely INTJ) did.

    "Oh my, I am so sensitive to conflict, I better start a World War...?"
    He was sensitive to conflict within his own people. Lebensraum (which was older than you might think) was a way to appease them.

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    OK, now, this might not be _the_ definition, but it says pretty much the same as others I've seen. What more is there to say?? Hitler was so NOT Extraverted Feeling! He was so NOT caring, nice, friendly, considerate and he was definitely not sensitive to conflict! Everyone knows Te is the forceful function; brutal, aggressive, insensitive people are often unbalanced Te-users, I think. There is a risk for unbalanced Fe-users, and especially NFJs, to become manipulative, that is true, and maybe why many think this ought to be the F�hrer's type. But Hitler wasn't *manipulative* like an NFJ, he wasn't a "people-person"; he was rhetorical, his speeches were passionate, fierce and aggressive, and lots of people were moved by it.
    YouTube - Adolf Hitler - Speech (1932)
    No, no, Hitler was definitely a sensitive people person. People who met him personally remarked that he had an innate ability to deeply connect with them. You're mischaracterizing an attitude you see as inhuman (genocide is actually a very common feature of human history), as lacking Fe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    Anyway, I thought of him as being more Fi than Fe.
    Then he'd be INTJ (or ISFP). Where's his Ne?
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    I think Hitler was an F, too, but the reaction to Hitler's type always gets me. Sometimes I get the feeling that feelers have a tough time accepting that out of every 100 bad guys from history a handful just happened to feelers, as though no feeler could ever do anything bad. Sometimes I think every type forgets that one example of their type, good or bad, is not indicative of them as people.
    Does he want a pillow for his head?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZPowers View Post
    I think Hitler was an F, too, but the reaction to Hitler's type always gets me. Sometimes I get the feeling that feelers have a tough time accepting that out of every 100 bad guys from history a handful just happened to feelers, as though no feeler could ever do anything bad. Sometimes I think every type forgets that one example of their type, good or bad, is not indicative of them as people.
    agree. Feeling does not entail nice any more than Thinking entails intelligent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Hitler was notoriously bad at objective organization, and was a famously horrible strategist.
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    Like George Lucas bent on world domination, Hitler simply gets too much credit for the decisions made by people around him. Germany's successful invasion of France, for example, had nothing to do with Hitler's planning. His contribution was the part where he let 300,000 Allies escape at the Battle of Dunkirk, and where he singlehandedly blew The Battle of Britain with every advantage going for him, canceling the invasion of Britain in what would be the first real turning point of the war.
    The hell kinda grade-school BS is this? Hitler played a key role in the French campaign, and it's widely accepted by scholars in this moment he was right and his generals were wrong(except for von Manstein and Guderian). Also Hitler's order to stand firm against Soviet counter-attacks at Moscow is also widely credited for saving the Wehrmacht from a total disaster. Concerning Dunkirk, there's still debate about that, including whether the Wehrmacht really had no choice but to halt due to the extensions of their supply lines(Blitzkrieg was based on speed and racing ahead of your own logistics was a common problem during those operations). Hitler certainly wasn't the greatest military commander, but he wasn't a buffoon that many try to make him out to be. Much of that impression came from German generals after the war who wanted to make handy excuses for why they lost the war, without having to examine the critical flaws in the German military system and their own thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    This is correct of course, but it's worthy of note that his inner vision was not so personal (the way an INTJ's would be) -- it was based on what would benefit the German people, and their general beliefs.

    He was very concerned with social harmony and well-being among the German people and among his officers, even if not universally. That is, he had the standard Fe behavioral pattern of being guided by the values and desires of those he felt emotionally connected to, as opposed to those he didn't.

    He was sensitive to conflict within his own people. Lebensraum (which was older than you might think) was a way to appease them.

    No, no, Hitler was definitely a sensitive people person. People who met him personally remarked that he had an innate ability to deeply connect with them. You're mischaracterizing an attitude you see as inhuman (genocide is actually a very common feature of human history), as lacking Fe.
    But was all of that genuine, or was it more deceptive. In the Galen temperament system, Hitler is universally held up as the most extreme [unhealthy] example of a Choleric. Since they are extroverts, they have a great appearance of being a people-person, and can easily approach others to connect. But the aim is usually more personal goals in some way (people can even be seen as objects), and they can undertake any behavior necessary (including that of other types) to achive their goals. Cognitively, this might fit shadowy Fe.
    And he did seem to ultimately treat people as objects, even if he did go through the motions of looking out for the concerns of his country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    They can't really confirm that he was indeed part Jewish.
    Well this sheds some light on the matter:
    Hitler 'had Jewish and African roots', DNA tests show - Telegraph

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