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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    have just spend a long time reading about hitler... it's incredible how many emotions can be raised surrounding this one person.

    from everything i'm reading, i'm all for ENFx.

    in terms of whether he was a P or a J, i'm not sure. superficially, it seems that he was messy about some things, and anal about others. he seemed to make some decisions well enough but also didn't really trust his generals, which could throw things off either way. he also started taking amephetamines at some point, which would mean he would probably appear J regardless of what he was.

    function-wise, i see a lot of what i think is Ni. hitler referred to himself a few times as sometimes being a prophet, and tapped into the symbols and mythologies of the time and culture. (though if i'm any indicator, a Ne dom can utilize that kind of thing frequently too.) he talked about his "big mission" and refused to marry because that wouldn't allow him to fulfill it as well. one of his first "realizations" regarding jewish people was when he was watching an orthodox man for the first time, and - well, here's the quote: "I carefully watched the man stealthily and cautiously but the longer I gazed at the strange countenance and examined it feature by feature, the more the question shaped itself in my brain: Is this a German?" it sounds very Ni-contemplative to me. but was he an ENFJ, or an ENFP with strong Ni? not sure.

    on one hand, he had very obvious personal morals (Fi), but on the other, he was excellent at working a crowd and was easily able to tap into public enthusiasm. (Fe)



    i was thinking about 6 too. especially when i read about him not trusting his closest guards, many of whom would sacrifice their lives for him at the drop of a hat. not that they were saints, but i think he was overly suspicious.

    the thing that most makes me think not ENFP of everything i've read is this, from hitler's best friend when he was a teenager:



    it kind of goes against everything ENFP is.



    haha i know!! though i'm more prone to "omg what if i had done something different, [this good thing] wouldn't have happened", and then ponder endlessly about the implications of that... until something shiny crosses my field of vision, of course.

    reading all this stuff about hitler though, he really was an extra-ordinary person. imagine if he had devoted himself to peace or global unification, instead of national socialism. or if they had just let him into fucking art school. i think he would have made an excellent motivational speaker, but no, had to go the world dictator route...
    From experience I can assure you ENFP 7w8 is different than the rest ENFPs, ENFP 7w8 is more serious, assertive, rigid, perfectionist sometimes and not fun as the rest ENFPs. Developed one can be seen as ENFJ, INFJ, INFP and EXTJ, depend on the situation. I can see Hitler was extreme and unhealthy and he has gone so far

    I don't want to keep discussing, I am not Hitler . Just wanna drop my point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    i think he would have made an excellent motivational speaker...
    but he was motivational speaker...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chloee View Post
    this is so ridiculous,lol...... Except if you think hitler did all that for FUN....
    lol you misinterpret me, I meant he was known about his rebel tendency, especially in his early life which fit ENFP type 7. And he was enthusiastic in his speeches, which fit also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Electrical flOw View Post
    lol you misinterpret me, I meant he was known about his rebel tendency, especially in his early life which fit ENFP type 7. And he was enthusiastic in his speeches, which fit also.
    but where does in 7s motivations (and unhealthy tendencies) fit to think that world is divided by "unworthy" and "worthy"?? 7s concentrate on positives. that seems like something that paranoid 6 would do.

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    He was unhealthy, and probably has his own motivations, beliefs and the people who encouraged him. Also I don't think there is any type is prone to be positive or negative. I think any type can believe in any idea that is fundamentally wrong.
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    I am not sure though, but I think that it is possible that he is an ENFP 7w8.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mortabunt View Post
    Hittler was INTJ.
    He was quiet and trusted few (I).
    He came up with a new kind of warefare (N),
    He was logical and cold (T).
    He was tidy and structured (J).
    ^ this.
    And what's with all the ENFP BS? You might as well type him ESFP now...

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    This question came up on my MBTI Step II qualifying course. The general consensus was that he must have been INFJ.

    I, N and J were easy to put into place; the total disregard for his generals, the grand visions and the organised and orderly mindset visible in his policies and published works.

    T/F posed a problem but in the end it was decided that the Holocaust proves F.

    A T, even an evil one, would not have systematically massacred all of a particular faith, especially when these people represented a disproportionate number of buisness-folk, bankers and other trades assorted which would actually have been extremely useful to the German war effort, if they could have instead been brought on side. And even failign that, there is still no logical reason to go the expense of setting up an entire network of terror and concentration camps in order to kill in the most humiliating way possible all the people you don't like when you are trying to fight a war and presumably need the money for other things.

    So therefore one had to conclude he actually hated Jews, Gypsies, Gays, Russians and others assorted. They had no place in his 1000 year Reich, so they had to be destroyed utterly. But in a world leader hatred like that must surely be the sign of a F, albeit an absolute disgrace to all other F's that there are now and have ever been.

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    I still think that's a very shadowy use of F that rose up and derailed some of the logic of T. Mainstream MBTI theory dioes not go that far into the "shadow", except for some to refer to just the inferior function. So they identify a particular series of acts as a product of F, and then assume it is from a preferrred function, and thus determining his type.
    But precisely the stuff they use (his moral and ethnic hatreds) is very shadowy. He was said to be part Jewish himself! Clearly, some repressed, "not me" sense from the unconscious that is typical of the shadow.
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    Hitler was known to leave his left over food on a plate on his floor before he went to bed. He said he left the crumbs for the mice because he knew what it was like to starve.

    Sounds like an F to me.
    Stupid as a man, say the women: cowardly as a woman, say the men. Stupidity in a woman is unwomanly.
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