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    I think Hitler was an ENFP 7w8 who has gone wrong (read 7w8 detailed description)

    Type 7 - The Adventurer - PersonalityCafe
    An Overview of the Seven and it's Wings - PersonalityCafe


    YouTube - Best Hitler Speech
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    Hitler was more a 4 IMO, possibly a 4w3.

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    I suggested the combination ENFP 7w8 because it is produce a strong Te user and can be artistic in the same time.
    Also Hitler was enthusiastic and rebellious, which fit type 7.
    I cant see Hitler as an ENFP, with other than this combination.
    ENFP 7w8

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    apparently the "official" listing of hitler by the MBTI company is as ENFJ, but the more i read, the less he seems like a J.

    all i know is that i would like to go back in time and give little kid hitler a hug so that all this third reich shit wouldn't have had to happen.

    though, arguably, none of us would exist as we are if it weren't for hitler.

    time is a strange beast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    apparently the "official" listing of hitler by the MBTI company is as ENFJ, but the more i read, the less he seems like a J.
    maybe ENFJ coounterphobic 6, 6 can look P-like even when J

    though, arguably, none of us would exist as we are if it weren't for hitler
    you think "if i wasn't in that coffee place 2 years ago, March 3th at 6:15, i wouldnt run into my friend Mike, who wouldnt 2 hours later introduce me to Jennifer, ....my life would be so different now if I was somewhere else on that day and time, who knows what i've missed " - I think like this all the time hehe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Electrical flOw View Post
    I suggested the combination ENFP 7w8 because it is produce a strong Te user and can be artistic in the same time.
    Also Hitler was enthusiastic and rebellious, which fit type 7.
    I cant see Hitler as an ENFP, with other than this combination.
    this is so ridiculous,lol...... Except if you think hitler did all that for FUN....

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    have just spend a long time reading about hitler... it's incredible how many emotions can be raised surrounding this one person.

    from everything i'm reading, i'm all for ENFx.

    in terms of whether he was a P or a J, i'm not sure. superficially, it seems that he was messy about some things, and anal about others. he seemed to make some decisions well enough but also didn't really trust his generals, which could throw things off either way. he also started taking amephetamines at some point, which would mean he would probably appear J regardless of what he was.

    function-wise, i see a lot of what i think is Ni. hitler referred to himself a few times as sometimes being a prophet, and tapped into the symbols and mythologies of the time and culture. (though if i'm any indicator, a Ne dom can utilize that kind of thing frequently too.) he talked about his "big mission" and refused to marry because that wouldn't allow him to fulfill it as well. one of his first "realizations" regarding jewish people was when he was watching an orthodox man for the first time, and - well, here's the quote: "I carefully watched the man stealthily and cautiously but the longer I gazed at the strange countenance and examined it feature by feature, the more the question shaped itself in my brain: Is this a German?" it sounds very Ni-contemplative to me. but was he an ENFJ, or an ENFP with strong Ni? not sure.

    on one hand, he had very obvious personal morals (Fi), but on the other, he was excellent at working a crowd and was easily able to tap into public enthusiasm. (Fe)

    Quote Originally Posted by Chloee
    maybe ENFJ coounterphobic 6, 6 can look P-like even when J
    i was thinking about 6 too. especially when i read about him not trusting his closest guards, many of whom would sacrifice their lives for him at the drop of a hat. not that they were saints, but i think he was overly suspicious.

    the thing that most makes me think not ENFP of everything i've read is this, from hitler's best friend when he was a teenager:

    Quote Originally Posted by August Kubizek
    The most outstanding trait in my friend’s character was, as I had experienced myself, the unparalleled consistency in everything that he had said and did. There was in his nature something firm, inflexible, immovable, obstinately rigid, which manifested itself in his profound seriousness and was at the bottom of all his other characteristics. Adolf simply could not change his mind or his nature.
    it kind of goes against everything ENFP is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chloee
    you think "if i wasn't in that coffee place 2 years ago, March 3th at 6:15, i wouldnt run into my friend Mike, who wouldnt 2 hours later introduce me to Jennifer, ....my life would be so different now if I was somewhere else on that day and time, who knows what i've missed " - I think like this all the time hehe
    haha i know!! though i'm more prone to "omg what if i had done something different, [this good thing] wouldn't have happened", and then ponder endlessly about the implications of that... until something shiny crosses my field of vision, of course.

    reading all this stuff about hitler though, he really was an extra-ordinary person. imagine if he had devoted himself to peace or global unification, instead of national socialism. or if they had just let him into fucking art school. i think he would have made an excellent motivational speaker, but no, had to go the world dictator route...

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    "When I go to Obersalzberg, I'm not drawn there merely by the beauty of the landscape. I feel myself far from petty things, and my imagination is stimulated. When I study a problem elsewhere, I see it less clearly; I'm submerged by the details. By night, at the Berghof, I often remain for hours with my eyes open, contemplating from my bed the mountains lit up by the Moon. It's at such moments that brightness enters my mind."
    --Adolf Hitler, cited in Warlords: An Extraordinary Re-Creation of World War II Through the Eyes and Minds of Hitler, Churchill, Roosevelt, And Stalin, pg. 50

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    "Bear in mind that my mind works like a calculating machine. Each person who makes a presentation to me introduces into this calculating machine a small wheel of information. There forms a certain picture, or a number on each wheel. I press a button and there flashes into my mind the sum of all this information."
    --inbid pg. 26

    So we have Hitler describing his own thinking processes.

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    Another piece I posted here before:

    "We have seen that maturity came to Hitler relatively late - a condition that led Heer to write that throughout his life there remained something incomplete in his personality...it might even be argued that this astonishing man, with all his talents and self-discipline, never really achieved maturity - by which I mean the existence of that deep-seated private judgement whereby a person comes to terms with the relationship of himself and his circumstances (a recognition that is not necessarily identical with his view of his destiny, or with a sense of that resignation which comes with age....Peter Kleist, one of Ribbentrop's satellites, wrote in his memoirs: "I had the oppurtunity to study his face carefully. It has amazed me because of the multiplicity of expressions it contained...Photography, by selecting only a single moment out of context, could show only one aspect, thereby giving a false impression of the duplicity or multiplicity of being which lay behind this image." He added: "I tried to find some explanation for the hypnotic effect of those eyes without arriving at any explanation."...

    ...Schramm's remarks about the ambivalence of Hitler's expressions: "The friend of women, children and animals - this was one face of Hitler neither acted nor feigned, but entirely geniune. There was, however, a second face which he did not show to his table companions, though it was no less geniune."

    One element in his character was that of the artist. He was a talented draftsman and painter, and a potential architect...A bohemian Hitler was, as Speer often remarked, very evident in his working habits - untill about 1942 he rose late, ate late, and frittered away many hours. Speer commented, "I have often asked myself often: when did he really work?" (This when he was the most powerful dictator in the world)....

    ...Hitler was a desperate man, while at the same time, he was a visionary of a new, heroic, pagan, and scientific world. He was an unhappy child and an unhappy adolescent, spurred by shame and resentment, surely after 1918...He was also a strong man; and a fundamental source of his strength was hatred.
    Yet his hatreds did not coagulate untill he was thirty years old. Before that he remained a boy; at thirty, he became a man suffused with vengence. And what is vengence but the idea of causing suffering in order to heal one's own suffering? The German word for vengence is "Rache". There are few more threatening guttural words in the German language."
    --John Lukacs, the Hitler of History, pg. 68, 69-70, 71, 72

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