i think Hitler was an INFJ. Ni vision almost seems like a duh (so xNxJ for sure). definitely an Fe user, he was all about applying his vision in the world of VALUES. his goal was to convince people what to believe/apply his value judgments. not an Fi user.
Thread: Hitler Analysis
08-13-2008, 03:51 AM #101
08-13-2008, 08:21 AM #102
08-13-2008, 10:18 AM #103
Hitler was a pretty ordinary sort of mass murderer and certainly a major ESFJ variant aided by Bulls (ESTJ) riding on the backs of Lions (ESTP).
Exactly what proportions of each of the E S F J on a scale of 12 on the Paragon Test, I have not researched enough. I suspect high scores on all four. His mistress, Braun, that would be a more interesting challenge and I do not know the answer. I suspect the very dangerous combination of a malignant ENFP Weasel. I will need to do so research on this. I am using my N function as an INTP.
The Sore Dragon
08-13-2008, 11:30 AM #104
08-13-2008, 11:30 AM #105
He's an ENFJ and that's not braggable. AT ALL. Who else could be so lunatic and murderous and still attract so much support and loyalty?
Just the other night, we were watching a documentary about that horrible man, and I said, "Don't you think he's XXXX?" (I forget what I asserted....) Sis turned to me, gave me an incredulous look, said, "Are you serious? Pink, look at him. Don't you see yourself just screaming off the guy?"
I just sat there saying nothing. She said, "You could be evil. So easily. All ENFJs could."
I have to concur. But I also want to state that Hitler is one of those people that disgusts me on every level of my humanity. If I had known him, I would have taken him out myself.eNFJ 4w3 sx/so 468 tritype
EII-Fi subtype, Ethical/Empath, Delta/Beta
AIS Holland code
08-13-2008, 11:35 AM #106
Hmmmm...well, I could see why you would argue this. However, I am pretty sure this guy was an Ni dominant, with Fe really following a close second. He's not an Fe dominant, I do not think....
I also think he would be more prone on using introverted thinking as an auxiliary than extraverted sensing.
However, I could be mistaken.
What do you think?
08-13-2008, 11:54 AM #107
I think typing a lunatic is going to be a blind study at best!eNFJ 4w3 sx/so 468 tritype
EII-Fi subtype, Ethical/Empath, Delta/Beta
AIS Holland code
08-13-2008, 12:38 PM #108
I don't go for ENFJ, sticking to ESFJ. Roughly, those who are stupid and industrious are a menace and should be removed. -Who said that?
However, I am prepared to say that the maniac may not be a the maximum for self-interest sensing. Might be E 10, S 8, F 10, J 12.
Don't believe too much of the rhetoric. The trains did not run on time, the clocks did not even keep proper time.
08-13-2008, 01:33 PM #109
08-13-2008, 03:05 PM #110
Btw, I am not allowed to see the speech because we aren't allowed to watch these things on the Internet.
Dominant Ni no question.
Auxiliary Te - no way. Sorry. A rational man would not have behaved in that way. Ask Bluey - he'll tell you. He's the master of advocating NTs in positions of power.
Auxiliary Fe does not mean lovey dovey. Whyyyyy in the name of good heavens does everyone think Fe = Flower Power, hippie, let's all love each other? BTW, an Fe can be just as effective, brutal, etc. - perhaps even MORE so BECAUSE of this inner value system. Because of this driving power to ameliorate what he saw as a degenerate influence in his country. When our values are PEACEFUL, we are peaceful. When someone conflicts with our values, we go APESHIP! K??? And not just throwing horrific temper tantrums over stupid shit (although he did that too) but also and especially when someone conflicts with our value system. The claws come out and we go into NO-REMORSE mode. HOW IN GOD'S NAME IS THAT T?!?!?! He did not argue with coming out with rational facts - he appealed to people's hearts.
Oh dude, don't know where you guys are coming from with the T bit.
Do you guys want to insinuate that Bin Laden is in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM A T???? He might be an asshole, but his motivations are TOTALLY FFFFF!!!
Stalin - now that asshole might have been a T. He was more effective in his killing too - good for him . And he managed to stay on the right side and the right time and die before things got too hairy. Okay, I'm being utterly sarcastic, but you know what I mean.
But these weirdos who all go on rampages due to ideological reasons - these bastids are all F. And bastids who plan stuff, have an eye on the future, have a grand vision, have a savior complex, and go ape shit if anyone does not agree with them - yeah, those are NFs gone wild - and I don't mean the porn video.
Now of course, like I've said a BILLION times, most of us are COOL BEANS. When our motives are good and we have developed in a healthy manner, sweet. If not - all hell breaks loose.
AND for all those who think I'm harping on right-wingers: What do you think the crazy assholes like Baader-Meinhoff were??? SURELY NOT T, folks!!! These crazy left-wing farts were definitely F all the way to fart jail. And I'm sure Marx was NF. All these crazy radical farts with a vision, left wing or right wing - are bound to be Fs.
And not just dictators - I'm sure all the *marvelous* decisions in American history - like Manifest Destiny, "Make the World Free for Democracy" Weirdo Wilson, "New Deal" Roosevelt, Carter - the Sitting Duck with Grand Plans but couldn't let a fart go properly, Lincoln - who started a bloody Civil War over his bloody vision. Yeah All Fs you can be sure.
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