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    Quote Originally Posted by Kullervo View Post
    Win. Anyone else want to have a shot?

    I have never been a bully, that's the most ironic joke I've ever had directed at me actually. There are no correlations between my experience in high school and that of the guy you knew, and not that much between our personalities.

    Your eyes can deceive you; don't trust them.
    What did you win? Why is it important to win? What does winning something signify to you?

    What should I trust rather than my eyes? How much of the time?

    My understanding is that you are trying to elevate yourself above people ot withdrawn from people so that they won't be able to harm\control you, and you are rationalizing this by telling yourself that you are superior to them so that your ego won't get bruised.

    IxTPs do this by assuming they are superior to other people and withdraw inside and refuse to contact others cause others are feeble\stupid\weak etc. ExTJs do this by projecting their will and controlling their environment and the people in it.

    If you are withdrawing inside outside home, you are an IxTP. If you are trying to control people and see them as peons\pawns, then you are an ExTJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    What did you win? Why is it important to win? What does winning something signify to you?
    You have claimed in this thread many times that you can assign a person a type based on their appearance. Twice now you can failed to do so with me, despite numerous offerings. This is not a personal attack, simply an invalidation of the hypothesis, so it applies to others.

    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    What should I trust rather than my eyes? How much of the time?
    That was a double-entendre, I slip them into my posts occasionally. You could interpret the sentence as meaning: "don't judge me on my appearance", or recognise it as a quote from Obi-Wan Kenobi in Star Wars

    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    My understanding is that you are trying to elevate yourself above people ot withdrawn from people so that they won't be able to harm\control you, and you are rationalizing this by telling yourself that you are superior to them so that your ego won't get bruised.

    IxTPs do this by assuming they are superior to other people and withdraw inside and refuse to contact others cause others are feeble\stupid\weak etc. ExTJs do this by projecting their will and controlling their environment and the people in it.

    If you are withdrawing inside outside home, you are an IxTP. If you are trying to control people and see them as peons\pawns, then you are an ExTJ.
    These strategies just seem like generalised unhealthy defense mechanisms that introverts and extroverts, respectively, might adopt, rather than anything type-related. Though, as extroverts can suffer from social anxiety as well, it is possible that they might adopt the first strategy.

    I don't see much of myself in either of these strategies. This isn't a general typing thread anyway. I have made my point, let's leave this here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kullervo View Post
    You have claimed in this thread many times that you can assign a person a type based on their appearance. Twice now you can failed to do so with me, despite numerous offerings. This is not a personal attack, simply an invalidation of the hypothesis, so it applies to others.



    That was a double-entendre, I slip them into my posts occasionally. You could interpret the sentence as meaning: "don't judge me on my appearance", or recognise it as a quote from Obi-Wan Kenobi in Star Wars



    These strategies just seem like generalised unhealthy defense mechanisms that introverts and extroverts, respectively, might adopt, rather than anything type-related. Though, as extroverts can suffer from social anxiety as well, it is possible that they might adopt the first strategy.

    I don't see much of myself in either of these strategies. This isn't a general typing thread anyway. I have made my point, let's leave this here.
    I didn't claim anything. I just tried guessing peoples' types. How did you win something out of this, that's what I don't get. Why did you become invested in that in this thread?

    Do you strive for win/fail scenarios? Why?

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    How can we judge a book by its cover?

    Why would we take someone at face value?

    Japanese has two words: tatemae and honne. Tatemae means face value, and honne means heart value.

    So is it best to judge on face value or heart value?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    I didn't claim anything. I just tried guessing peoples' types. How did you win something out of this, that's what I don't get. Why did you become invested in that in this thread?

    Do you strive for win/fail scenarios? Why?
    My objective was to show that the idea advanced by the OP and you - that a deduction of someone's full, four-letter type from their appearance is possible - is just that.

    I was, however, genuinely curious to see what answer you would come up with, as I am interested in this way of approaching typing due to its practical applications. When you first meet someone you are interested in, usually you don't have a computer handy (and even if you did, it would be a weird thing to ask that someone to do...take some random test on the internet...).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    How can we judge a book by its cover?

    Why would we take someone at face value?

    Japanese has two words: tatemae and honne. Tatemae means face value, and honne means heart value.

    So is it best to judge on face value or heart value?
    Initial impressions are based on face value, which is what people project outwards to people that they are not close with. Heart value becomes evident only when they feel relaxed in your company and trust you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kullervo View Post
    My objective was to show that the idea advanced by the OP and you - that a deduction of someone's full, four-letter type from their appearance is possible - is just that.

    I was, however, genuinely curious to see what answer you would come up with, as I am interested in this way of approaching typing due to its practical applications. When you first meet someone you are interested in, usually you don't have a computer handy (and even if you did, it would be a weird thing to ask that someone to do...take some random test on the internet...).
    It's a matter of pattern recognition. The more people you interact with the better you become at recognizing them. It's not accurate in 100% of the cases. It's accurate in some cases though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    Initial impressions are based on face value, which is what people project outwards to people that they are not close with. Heart value becomes evident only when they feel relaxed in your company and trust you.
    Surely if the face can predict personality, the heart can too.

    Of course it is interesting we see the face, but only feel the heart.

    So the heart personality is heartfelt, honne, while the face personality is a false personality, tatemae.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    It's a matter of pattern recognition. The more people you interact with the better you become at recognizing them. It's not accurate in 100% of the cases. It's accurate in some cases though.
    True. I feel confident that I can deduce I/E and T/F just from observing someone for a while.

    N/S and J/P you can't really, though.

    You are also not accounting for ethnic differences, which obfuscate things as they will substantially influence the way one acts and dresses.

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