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    Um, excuse my french, but why is Japan INFJ? Not disagreeing... just wondering what the reasoning would be.

    Sorry: I posted this without knowing NADs and Elfboy posted. But I do know that Japan is cray cray with it's music at times and can be pretty out there... so Japan doesn't always display a business-like persona (so I get why Cafe didn't write xxTJ). I can definitely see the Se in there, though.
    You are so arbitrary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    Japan is, at the least, some sort of xxTJ. very formal, efficiency oriented
    well they are pretty INTJ as well, but FJ more I think because of the excessive emphasis on politeness, generosity, formality, value, aesthetics, etc. Also they are extremely spiritual and mystical. INTJ's can be this way, but China is way more XNTJ, to show the difference. China is super efficient, but doesn't care so much about politeness or hospitality or empathy. Japan is emotionally expressive and INTJ is not. INFJ with very strong Ti.
    @thoughtlost: In addition, Japan makes everything into an art form and emphasizes personal honor and dignity (and honor and dignity is extremely based on external valuation). I think this is consistent with INFJ as well. I because they are private and like quiet personalities, N because of abstract symbolism and Ni mysticism and intuition in general, Fe shows itself in the ways I've described above, and J because of strong work ethic, organization, efficiency, routine, formality, and ambition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thoughtlost View Post
    Sorry: I posted this without knowing NADs and Elfboy posted. But I do know that Japan is cray cray with it's music at times and can be pretty out there... so Japan doesn't always display a business-like persona (so I get why Cafe didn't write xxTJ). I can definitely see the Se in there, though.
    Yeah lots of Se. Aesthetics everywhere, and Japanese businessmen after working like slaves all go out with their boss and coworkers and drink lots of beer and sake and sing karaoke, then fall asleep on the subway at 3am. Inf. Se indulgence.

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    This seems to be taking the values associated with a particular type, and assigning them to a country. To the extent that it is possible to do this for the U.S.

    Red America: ESxJ

    Blue America: ESxP
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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    If such a thing has any meaning:

    Red America: ESxJ

    Blue America: ESxP
    I'd say Blue America is ENFP.

    Further notes on Japan since I luurve it so much:
    Shinto: Ni
    Bushido: Fe

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    @greenfairy
    formality is more Fi/Te than Fe. Fe is warmer, more sociable, more inviting. just look at the facial expressions of your typical Japanese person. they're near expressionless and pride themselves in emotional restraint and (near excessive) self control

    Shinto: Ni (you are correct here)

    for Bushido, I will type each of the 8 Core Virtues:

    Rectitude: Fi, 1
    Courage: Se, Fi, Sexual 6
    Benevolence: Fe, Se, Social 7
    Respect: Fe, Fi (both are respectful for different reasons), 1
    Honesty: Fi, Te, 1, 4
    Honour: 1, 2, 6, Fe, Fi
    Loyalty: Fe, Social 6
    Self Control: Te, 1
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    @greenfairy
    formality is more Fi/Te than Fe. Fe is warmer, more sociable, more inviting. just look at the facial expressions of your typical Japanese person. they're near expressionless and pride themselves in emotional restraint and (near excessive) self control

    Shinto: Ni (you are correct here)

    for Bushido, I will type each of the 8 Core Virtues:

    Rectitude: Fi, 1
    Courage: Se, Fi, Sexual 6
    Benevolence: Fe, Se, Social 7
    Respect: Fe, Fi (both are respectful for different reasons), 1
    Honesty: Fi, Te, 1, 4
    Honour: 1, 2, 6, Fe, Fi
    Loyalty: Fe, Social 6
    Self Control: Te, 1
    Actually I see them as being extremely expressive in the face and when they talk. And they often smile when they talk to people as a formality of politeness. Maybe you haven't met many, but this is consistent through all my experience. I feel that they are sociable, warm, and inviting. Again, contrast it with the Chinese culture and you will see that the chinese are far more Te-Fi. Of course I think most countries will have an X somewhere. Self control even emotional control is consistent with INFJ; we tend to be control freaks and perfectionists in all areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calliope View Post
    The U.S. to me is an ESTJ. Very much always wanting to be a leader, rather traditional (compared to European countries), in everyone's business, and values its beliefs very strongly.
    lol. well... at least we know how people inside of USA see their country
    just to mention that most people on Earth see USA as something between a bandit and a profligate

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    Germany is 6w5, ISTJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    This seems to be taking the values associated with a particular type, and assigning them to a country. To the extent that it is possible to do this for the U.S.

    Red America: ESxJ

    Blue America: ESxP
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