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    Quote Originally Posted by Elaine View Post
    I don' t think that' s a line a Fe - dom would casually say.
    Haha well first of all INFJs aren't Fe-dom.

    Besides, I believe it isn' t society' s expectations that she was afraid not to live up to, as much as not fullfilling the expectations of her family and her duty as a queen( There is a short scene when she prepares to the coronation when she looks at her father' s portrai Judging from her expression, I would say that she was more worried about not putting a shame on her family or her father' s memory) .
    Doesn't really disprove Fe imo. If anything Fe is usually more concerned with the people close to them than society's expectations of them. On the flip side, emphasized concern on how her decisions will affect her environment seems at least Je (in this case Fe>Te, being that she's more concerned with keeping harmony and positive spirits among her kingdom rather than organization and efficiency).

    Also, from what she says she mostly thinks about the future( like worrying about Anna and forcefully sending her away when her sister found her) . I would say an INFP with nurtured Te who puts on a cold exterior.
    Ne is actually more emergent than future-oriented. Between Ne and Ni, I'd say Ni is more mindful of future implications while Ne is more concerned with possibilities in the moment.
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    Whoever posted this... You obviously know NOTHING about MBTI. Everything you claim here as INFJ characteristics is stereotypical, untrue to cognitive functions (and those are what you should give attention to when typing someone and NOT the four letters) and also kinda insulting to some other types. For example, how dare you say that ISFJs have no imagination? What criteria did you base that assumption on? MBTI has nothing to do with imagination, i's about the way we process and use information. And every person is creative in their own way. E.g let's take Suzanne Collins, one of the best writers of today... Guess her type? ISFJ!

    Now to the point: Elsa is anything but INFJ. She uses the exact different functions. She is the most ISTJ that's ever been. She struggles to escape the past (Si), she finds comfort in past experiences like the snowman (Si) and she sees everything from t he past lens (Si again). She relies heavily on facts and not emotions to make decisions, she is very organized and methodical (Te) and kinda blunt (Te). Yes, she may appear to rely on emotions but that's because she is in a Si-Fi loop. And if you don't know what loops are, search them!

    Another sign is she is veryyy afraid of the future which hints at inferior Ne. Inferior functions is something you should maybe learn about because you don't seem to have any idea what they are or how they work. I recommend FunkyMbtiFiction for you to start, it's the best blog on Mbti. So, Elsa also shows strong Fi and no Fe (Fe is high up in INFJs). She cares about being true to herself and isn't really swayed by what others seem to think. And how dare you call non-feelers uncaring!! Not being Fe doesn't make you uncaring for others. Fi is caring too. They just show it through actions more than words.

    In short, you'd better get digging. And quit believing that not being an INFJ doesn't make you complex. If only 2% of people were complex (what a word, do you know what type of people tend to use it for themselves often?) then the world would be much more shallow and empty. (i highly doubt you are an INFJ. Did I hurt your feelings? Sorry not sorry).

    Better luck in typing next time.
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    The reason these people mistyped her as ISTJ is because she isn't really a warm and fuzzy type of person so they thought she might be a thinking type, but when others typed her as ISFJ, they saw through her cold (pun intended) exterior and realized that she really cared a lot for other people and was truly very selfless! But everyone who mistyped her as a sensor thought that she might be a sensor because she is dutiful and responsible. But this is why they're wrong:
    Well first of all Fe and Fi are nothing to with how selfless the person is.

    Thinking about the future doesn't suddenly make someone an NJ.
    I've even seen this listed on descriptions that worrying about the future is one of the downsides of inferior Ne. If Elsa wasn't thinking about the consequences of her uncontrollable ice powers, honestly she would be pretty stupid. Also not wanting to hurt people, including her own sister, doesn't make her Fe.

    Elsa is an extremely strong and complex character, and I don't think an ISFJ or any other type would be that strong and complex of a character. She is a very unique princess!

    Being an INFJ doesn't make you better and more complex than everyone else, or any other characteristic that you associate with the type. Typology isn't about personality traits such as those.
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    I don't really care what Elsa's MBTI type is but this quote from the op^ that wolfnara responded to is the stupidest thing I've ever heard lmao. This just in guys, if you're an ISFJ then you're stereotypical and boring and there's nothing exciting about you, and you're too simple and don't have the ability to be complex or unique!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 21lux View Post
    This just in guys, if you're an ISFJ then you're stereotypical and boring and there's nothing exciting about you, and you're too simple and don't have the ability to be complex or unique!
    Yeah ISFJ, why do you even exist?????


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    When Elsa tried to hide her powers from everyone, she worried and stressed A LOT, which is something us INFJs do quite often! She always thought about the future, and was fearful and cautious. She expects a lot from herself, and tries to seem perfect in public.
    ISTJ is also fearful and cautious because they have inferior Ne!
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    "To test the limits and break through",worrying about Anna and forcefully sending her away when her sister found her shows inferior Ne!

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    Elsa: ISTJ 1w9

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Janice View Post
    "To test the limits and break through",worrying about Anna and forcefully sending her away when her sister found her shows inferior Ne!
    More like inferior Se. Lol.

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    How about I go against the grain and use somthing outside the film to type. No, I don't think a book is more reliable than an original film and I know liberties are taken with media translation, but this is a new way of looking at Frozen and holds a place worthy of recognition. One reason I find it hard to believe Elsa is INFJ is the expanded material that consistently says otherwise.

    EXHIBIT A

    A Sister More like Me: This short childrens book is very popular and praised among fans. I for one certainly recomend it; the artwork is well done and i enjoy the poem on sisterhood. This book almost undeniably supports ISTJ for Elsa. If we went only on this book's evidence, anyway.

    I is, like the film, supported. Examples: When Anna says " You needed peace and quiet", "You never said a word", ( not the best evidence, but I must present as much as possible.) In general, when Elsa is "alone" she seems happy, content. But she does long for her little sister.

    S is supported when Elsa says "I considered it my job to do what needed to be done." "You were always and forever finding ways to have more fun." (You'd think an N would at least not be "driven crazy" by new ideas for fun. Surely not all the time.) "It was important as a princess, that I look my best." Sounds like she has her personal reasons for following certain traditions which is more S-like.) Anna is seen following Elsa around, using many methods to get her attention, but Elsa isnt interested, not even mildly . Anna tells Elsa later," You always did your duty." S is more interested in the importance of duty than Ns usually are. Ns can still be like this, but it isnt as likley as S dominance is, for the S is primary.

    Evidence of T: While Anna saying Elsa is wonderfully smart is not enough in itself to say T, Anna saying "You always used your head" could be, since Fs do not lean towards Thinking above Feeling in most cases. Elsa is seen "Cooped up in ths Study," doing geometry. And she enjoys it, though she IS upset by not being with Anna as before. Elsa admits of herself, with a smile, "I was prickly as an urchin." It seems a T( with perhaps Fi) is more consistent with that statement than Domiant F, especially Fe.

    J: Elsa has her room "neat and tidy" and overall is very thoughtful of plans, not likely to do things on a whim.

    All in all, Elsa is very ISTJ in this book, considering the overall shortness of this poem. Yes, an INFJ CAN be these things but ISTJ is more consistent because it is their DOMINANT personality and not secondary. Important to note is that Elsa exhibits these traits even when she is Relaxed, and not at the moment terrified of herself. The character is also admiting it of herself, accepting it, and is still like this even AFTER she is mature and has control over her powers. The poem was made in many ways to contrast the sisters so you may say they simply made them this way for the story, though I still feel this wonderfully made book holds some ground on Elsa and Anna in a large way. Again, Frozen fans should check out this book, even if you disagree with the ISTJ theory.

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