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    Another Joanna Newsom thread? I'd say ISFP, maybe ENFP.

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    INFJ.

    Already been discussed, yo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oedipa_Maas View Post
    INFJ.

    Already been discussed, yo.
    It certainly has. infj she is.

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    I know it doesn't matter anymore, since INFJ seems to be the consensus, but I was reading through an interview and found these quotes:

    Quote Originally Posted by joanna newsom
    --He generated his initial drafts based on a big pile of notes that I gave him; this sort of manifesto about how I wanted the record to sound and the mood I wanted it to have. While it's not important to me that the audience explicitly understand what the record is "about," I did think it was important that the collaborator understand that explicitly. We needed to have a cohesive vision. ...So I started by giving him that manifesto, then a more detailed series of notes as well, going line by line through the songs.




    --Basically I wanted to undertake the task of writing songs about a particular year of my life... I was starting to see a lot of connections, and I wanted to make them more substantial to myself, or at least explore them. Writing these songs was a way to organize my brain and organize these events and how they had affected me. There were four very big things that happened in my life in this particular year, and so four of the songs are about these things. The fifth song, "Only Skin", was an effort to talk about the connections between the events.......




    ---I just find it funny that at this point, we see a collection of highly charged, highly potent symbols as referring back to a classical aesthetic, because to me they seem deeply connected to the pedestrian actuality of real life......




    I really like to imbue every little thing with connections; the continuity makes me feel better about the finished work, so that's why I did that.

    And here's another interview that certainly discounts the Se argument:

    “I don’t want to compound the fragility myth about me ... but I think other, people, in my, life, certainly, commented, that I seemed to have, a ... sometimes fragile relationship with reality.” She stops. “But I wouldn’t say that it’s felt like a problem for me but, you know, I forget to pay bills and I get my water shut off and I live in a rural area. And you know when your cable gets shut off they actually have to make an appointment to send out a technician to reinstall it and it’s really expensive and insanely annoying. And so that’s happened to me like four times now. The list of things like that is very, very long. And there’s nothing romantic or fantastical about being hapless, or borderline dysfunctional in terms of a lot of the things that make someone a good grown-up in the world.

    She also says she must confess that people who work with her find her stubborn to the point of being difficult. She can’t rest creatively until a song is exactly the way she imagined it. She can’t bend.
    This seems INFJ to me, she is certainly NF at any rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forever_Jung View Post
    I know it doesn't matter anymore, since INFJ seems to be the consensus, but I was reading through an interview and found these quotes:



    And here's another interview that certainly discounts the Se argument:



    This seems INFJ to me, she is certainly NF at any rate.
    oh my goodness. this thread is crazy to me! joanna is SO the archetypal INFP. has anyone listened to her lyrics? yes, she uses lots of symbolism and metaphor, but above all, it's so dreamy and expansive. i really don't see how anyone could see her as anything but INFP. i think people are getting Ne+Fi confused for Ni.

    'we've seen those mountains kneeling felten and gray. we swore our very hearts would up and melt away' soooo dreamy. so floaty. so ethereal, her lyrics and music are.

    and i don't think INFJs ever get their water shut off or forget to pay their bills, really. LOL. INFJs are pretty type-a. joanna is a total weirdo and is pretty much the opposite of that. she's very quirky and has always done her own thing; i don't think she's ever tried to fit in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the state i am in View Post
    i put all my money on infj. her orchestration, it feels like bright eyes, but more challenging. van dyke parks--entp. she reminds me of an infj 4w5 sp/sx girl i know.
    don't you think she's too DREAMY though? INFJ 4w5s i've known are all very focused in the eyes. joanna is much more dreamy than anything else. and there's a sweetness and innocence to her that i only really see in INFPs. i think everything about her life and process is very INFP to me... she's never been about fitting in in an INFJ way... she doesn't seem neurotic as much as ethereal + into executing her artistic vision. i would be very surprised if she wasn't an INFP. she's very spacey as wwell... her bills and stuff get turned off because she forgets to pay them etc. that isn't very INFJ behavior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killjoy View Post
    I doubt she's just writing 'what sounds good'.

    She strikes me as very INFJ (including her attention to sensory detail) She's very eloquent and as genial as she is aloof from the interviews I've seen/read (which is something I equate with INFJ women).
    Just because she isn't campaigning for the Nobel Peace Prize, it doesn't mean she isn't an INFJ. I really can't see her as an ISFP at all.

    For a comparison: Joni Mitchell is ISFP - Not Newsom.






    Adorable.

    nah. she's an archetypal INFP. INFPs are VERY into nature imagery. more than INFJs, i would say. unfortunately, if an artist uses any kind of metaphor or symbolism in their work, they are typed as INFJ. i think Ne +Fi can be very confused for Ni by a lot of people. she's too dreamy and 'sweet' and her vision is very Fi to me. she's so individualist; i mean, she would carry around weird parasols at college and was basically ostracized. and her lyrics are DREAMY and are almost explosive with this overwhelming feeling of awe that INFPs experience so often. she's spoken about how she can't really articulate her thoughts in words. that's INFP and not INFJ.
    ithink people are losing the forest for the trees here.

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    that's so funny; i think you've named all INFPs there. michel gondry is far too whimsical to be an INFJ. everything is absurdist and Ne.

    and joanna always talks about not being able to articulate her feelings properly... very Fi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maliafee View Post
    I agree.

    First off, I have lots of songs written down and recorded and of course I'm an ISFP.

    Also, she's not as much a poet as a singer/songwriter (sorry but there is a difference).



    Also, she doesn't write purely metaphorically; a lot of what she writes is actually about the outdoors and stories.

    She is metaphoric, a bit, but so is any intelligent person when they write, to be quite frank (it's not an INFJ trait ONLY).

    The things that make me think ISFP are: song after song about nature and details about happenings but ALMOST NOTHING CONCEPTUAL.

    And, she is not very mysterious.

    Onstage, she talks about things like how she cut her thumb and used superglue to close it, and then demonstrates to the crowd the difference in the sound between the healthy thumb and patched up thumb.

    She giggles onstage and is not super sophisticated (sorry but all INFJs are sophisticated HAHA just kidding but hey it's something I've noticed; they have an air of decorum even without trying).

    She is like a grown up child.

    I don't know why I'm so intent on proving her ISFP-ness, except that it's annoying how every time someone is talented, people scream NF. That's just not always the case.

    Harumph!

    P.S. Did I mention (of course I did) that she looks like an ISFP?
    INFPs use nature imagery constantly in their art. that isn't any indication of Se. she's too floaty and dreamy to be ISFP. ISFP lyrics are MUCH more literal. joanna is weaving all of these meta-tales into songs into metaphors into feeeeelings into beingness. not ISFP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sleuthiness View Post
    It certainly has. infj she is.
    ugggh it's so annoying how whenever people see metaphors or symbols in songs they immediately thing of Ni.
    there are hardly more archetypal INFPs than joanna newsom.
    she's so DREAMY, for one. if you look at photos of her, she doesn't have that enigmatic focus of an INFJ, rather this dreamy, faraway look.
    and those kooky outfits!
    and how she radiates this kind of innocence and sweetness. she's also incredibly spacey, forgets to pay her phone/gas/electricity bills, and has often stated that she cannot express herself through words (speaking to people). that's very INFP.


    now for the music. i can ALWAYS tell an Fe musician from an Fi one, because Fi music is explosive and evokes a feeling of awe. it's also usually quite ethereal. joanna's music is all about this incredibly deep, intense feeling projected onto nature and brought into the past and future. it's intensely melancholic. and it's a deeply personal, sorrowful, individual journey in many ways. it rattles you from the core. it's so Fi.

    'we've seen those mountains kneeling felten and gray/we swore our very hearts would up and melt away' -----gahhh the intense feeling of awe this evokes! this is so Fi to me.

    she's said things like how she chooses to go through life 'skinless' aka letting every possible emotion pass through her. that's such an Fi statement. she's a poet INFP in every single way.

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