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    INTP or ENTJ, definately very logic/reason obsessed; not quite as much of a radical visionary or ahead of his times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superunknown View Post
    Jung typed Darwin a Te type explicitly because of his extraverted exploration of the physical sciences. Darwin, Dawkins. One wrote the Origin of Species as their seminal work, one wrote The Selfish Gene. It's not that complex to see how Dawkins' dominant function is Te, and I would strongly argue for him being a sensor over an intuitor.

    "No other human type can equal the extraverted sensation-type in realism."

    If an atheistic naturalist isn't as realistic a worldview as it gets...
    So he's an extroverted sensor because he's an atheist? And he's te because he's a Darwinian? You do realize MBTI is about personality and cognition, not beliefs, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emotionalogic View Post
    A clear INTP 5w6. He's an irritated ti user explaining why other people are silly, not a ni-te user trying to impose a vision on the world. There is fe working in the background; despite his reputation, he's actually very polite and explicitly states he "doesn't, by nature, thrive on confrontation". And despite his rejection of religion, he still clings to social Christian morality. INTJ atheists tend to be more Nietzschean, because Ni, Te, Fi, and Se are all more likely to lead one question traditional objective morality than Ne, Ti, Fe, and Si. Much of it comes down to cultural differences; in Britain, its much less taboo to criticize someone's religion. If you want to see what an INTJ militant atheist would look like, Christopher Hitchens (5w4, or maybe 1w9) provides a perfect contrast. http://www.celebritytypes.com/misc_pictures/int.jpg
    He's an ExTJ, he works consistently with external frameworks, not by his own inner logic, a la Ti.

    Polite != Fe
    Thrives on confrontation != Te

    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
    INTP or ENTJ, definately very logic/reason obsessed; not quite as much of a radical visionary or ahead of his times.
    Massive Te user. But I don't see what being or not being a visionary has to do with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Bubble View Post
    He's an ExTJ, he works consistently with external frameworks, not by his own inner logic, a la Ti.

    Polite != Fe
    Thrives on confrontation != Te



    Massive Te user. But I don't see what being or not being a visionary has to do with it.
    What would an ENFP 5w6 So/Sp look like?
    Even if it is extremely rare, think theoretically...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emotionalogic View Post
    So he's an extroverted sensor because he's an atheist? And he's te because he's a Darwinian? You do realize MBTI is about personality and cognition, not beliefs, right?
    No, he is an extraverted thinker because his primary domain of interest is the objective universe, which happens to take root in the physical sciences moreso than much else.

    "Just as Darwin might possibly represent the normal extraverted thinking type, so we might point to Kant as a counter-example of the normal introverted thinking type. The former speaks with facts; the latter appeals to the subjective factor. Darwin ranges over the wide fields of objective facts, while Kant restricts himself to a critique of knowledge in general. But suppose a Cuvier be contrasted with a Nietzsche: the antithesis becomes even sharper."

    Read up on your Jung? It goes well beyond the intuitive accessibility of MBTI, from derivation of morality to the establishment of belief systems, even so far as to include the varying propensities for ideological fortitude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Qwan View Post
    What would an ENFP 5w6 So/Sp look like?
    Even if it is extremely rare, think theoretically...
    More secluded than the average ENFP, more socially introverted or at least less "bubbly" than 7's, would seem like more of a Thinker. Would have truth-seeking/objectivity or similar as a primary value.

    I don't see why it'd be extremely rare. Sure there are behavioral patterns, but don't be swayed by the stereotypes. I've thought about it for my own type several times, except 5w4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Bubble View Post
    More secluded than the average ENFP, more socially introverted or at least less "bubbly" than 7's, would seem like more of a Thinker. Would have truth-seeking/objectivity or similar as a primary value.

    I don't see why it'd be extremely rare. Sure there are behavioral patterns, but don't be swayed by the stereotypes. I've thought about it for my own type several times, except 5w4.
    So, like somebody who is constantly gathering information in order to further some cause they believe in or aid the world? Perhaps somebody who highly values learning and knowledge, but isn't snobby if somebody they encounter is uneducated?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Qwan View Post
    So, like somebody who is constantly gathering information in order to further some cause they believe in or aid the world? Perhaps somebody who highly values learning and knowledge, but isn't snobby if somebody they encounter is uneducated?
    I guess that is a vague outline, yes. Nothing is set though, don't think so specifically about some things like the one about snobbishness. Would would be stopping an ENFP from being snobby? The best way, I think, is to do it all separately: figure out your cognitive functions, then Enneagram, then instinctual variants. Many people try to fit them all together and decide they can't be this or that because it defies stereotype, even if they were right. Just be thorough with your investigations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Bubble View Post
    I guess that is a vague outline, yes. Nothing is set though, don't think so specifically about some things like the one about snobbishness. Would would be stopping an ENFP from being snobby? The best way, I think, is to do it all separately: figure out your cognitive functions, then Enneagram, then instinctual variants. Many people try to fit them all together and decide they can't be this or that because it defies stereotype, even if they were right. Just be thorough with your investigations.
    I did that order, then started doubting myself when I came here...
    Lot's of opinions on me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Bubble View Post
    He's an ExTJ, he works consistently with external frameworks, not by his own inner logic, a la Ti.

    Polite != Fe
    Thrives on confrontation != Te



    Massive Te user. But I don't see what being or not being a visionary has to do with it.
    He clearly works by internal logic rather than an external framework. Are you seriously suggesting he's a te user just because he works in the "external framework" of Darwinism? By that standard every evolutionary biologist is te. Ni-Te users seek to categorize and order the external world (te) in accordance with their inner visions (ni). Dawkins doesn't do that. He engages with the external world on a fe emotional level (politeness, dislike of confrontation), although he's not great at it because his fe is inferior, in order to share the results of his inner thinking process (ti). Compare him with Hitchens. Hitchens loved debates because he liked to connect with the world on a logical level (te) in order to share his inner feelings (he was much more emotional in his distaste for religion; he thought it was evil, not just wrong). Dawkins dislikes debates, because he would rather connect with the world on an emotional level (fe), but he does it anyway in order to share his inner thoughts.

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