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    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
    I'm wondering if presenting outlines for processes is really that much related to rules, because after all, Spock just criticized what Kirk did in relation to what the supposed best course of action was, whereas the boss in the office (whoever that was) at the beginning of the movie was getting all angry and had strong impulses to punish Kirk by the letter of the law. To me, that actually seems more SJ.
    That nuance may have eluded me. What I recall is Spock being annoyed because a rule had been broken, and simply relating the details mission factually and as they happened with full knowledge that Kirk would catch hell for it. I mean, that seems pretty rule-bound to me. If that was the case, I don't see much difference between his reaction and that of Admiral Pike.

    But to dig into the bolded a bit further, Si's past-orientation doesn't preclude either a sense of efficiency, goal-orientation, or an ability to reason through consequences. The first two are more within the domain of Te, and the last one in and of itself says less about type than the manner in which it's actually done, if that makes sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by digesthisickness View Post
    Haha. I didn't say it can't or won't be done. Just that it can only mean so much. Spock is a black sheep to others on his planet. He broke out and did something not seen as "normal." So, seems to me, for that reason and others that contribute to his black sheep status, he's a giant extrovert if seen from the perspective of this his own species' standards.
    this exactly^


    while spock might seem SJish by human terms, in Vulcan terms he's practically a rebel without cause, a man living on the edge, choosing to live a risky & dangerous lifestyle among wild, uncivilized animals (a.k.a. humans), and worst of all - he even takes 'em seriously, like actually considering what they say as possible valid points. he's full of the crazies!

    and why not a feeler? in the land of the heartless maximum utility paradigm, the man who will shed a tear openly admit to having a negative association for the loss of his loved ones entire civilization is clearly a bleeding-heart wuss.

    where's the INFP vote?
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    The more important issue is how do we clone the actor playing Khan and can we program him with the personality type of our choice? That man's VOICE could bring empires to their knees were they comprised entirely of female Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    I would switch these, with Data INTP and Spock INTJ, or perhaps ISTJ depending on the specific depiction. I have not seen the most recent movies, though, so my comments are based on TOS and the first 5 films for Spock. Data is probably less hostile to feeling because he doesn't experience it as Spock does.
    My primary argument has more to do with the relationship to Feeling. Is Pon Farr more like feeling in an INTP, or an INTJ? Which of these types is more comfortable with Feeling, and which character is more comfortable with Feeling?

    Do INTJs ever explode like INTPs do? It doesn't look that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riva View Post
    +1 Whatever spock's type is he is definitely a Te user. He adamantly stays away from mentioning something even vaguely Ti ish. However due to his vast knowledge (Si) on almost anything he manages to win any counter arguments/options/decisions; with the exception of the doctor who transcends any point by dragging humanity into the arguments. I can vaguely remember a couple of instances where he dismissed Ti based logical interpretations by simply claiming them only to be assumptions. So I say he is clearly Te with a shit ton of knowledge. Regarding Ni vs Si; a method to identify Ni user is the sudden 'realization' of conclusions and ideas; based on Se observations. So usually NTJ conclusions are inductive as opposed to Si conclusions which are deductive. And their ideas are - to a certain extent adamant - realizations (Se sees and Ni filters based on what is needed) than options (Ne or Si). The exception to its realization of ni ideas is when Te quickly optionalizes the idea (not ideas) into segments. I believe spock clearly exhibits the latter when it comes to both conclusions and realizations.
    So you agree that he's ISTJ as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    So you agree that he's ISTJ as well?
    I was typing the tos/old spock fyi.Yes of course I believe he is istj.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riva View Post
    I was typing the tos/old spock fyi.Yes of course I believe he is istj.
    Ok then we are in agreement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    My primary argument has more to do with the relationship to Feeling. Is Pon Farr more like feeling in an INTP, or an INTJ? Which of these types is more comfortable with Feeling, and which character is more comfortable with Feeling?

    Do INTJs ever explode like INTPs do? It doesn't look that way.
    Yes, but (hopefully) not often. I would not use Pon Farr to judge the character's perspective on emotion. It seems like a rather extreme and largely physiological phenomenon that all male Vulcans would experience, much like the adrenaline rush of the "fight or flight" scenario, though stronger. Spock's reaction to the fact that he is experiencing that customary Vulcan event seems much more Fi. He sees it as a loss of control, causing him to betray himself and his values. I suspect the Fe-based response would focus more on trying to mitigate its impact on others, or even what others would think of the affected person.

    I think in general INTJs wrestle with feeling, emotion, and values more because the related function is internally directed and tert rather than inf. Most of this usually seems to be under the radar for INTPs, until, as you mention, it all surfaces and they explode. Their values (priorities, right/wrong) seem to come more from the Ti/Si combination, culling past experiences for what makes logical sense, which often entails reassembling existing components in new and unique ways (Ne). Not sure how Fe plays out in this. Often it seems like an afterthought: the INTP remembers, "oh, yes - I should ask the group whether they agree with this".

    Quote Originally Posted by Mane View Post
    while spock might seem SJish by human terms, in Vulcan terms he's practically a rebel without cause, a man living on the edge, choosing to live a risky & dangerous lifestyle among wild, uncivilized animals (a.k.a. humans), and worst of all - he even takes 'em seriously, like actually considering what they say as possible valid points. he's full of the crazies!

    and why not a feeler? in the land of the heartless maximum utility paradigm, the man who will shed a tear openly admit to having a negative association for the loss of his loved ones entire civilization is clearly a bleeding-heart wuss.
    It is the sort of choices your first paragraph describes that illustrate what I called the irreverence in Spock's actions. He doesn't do what is expected of him, and never has. As for your second point, I think tert Fi is more than sufficient for such a reaction. (Would MBTI apply to Vulcans without human ancestry??)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    Yes, but (hopefully) not often. I would not use Pon Farr to judge the character's
    In the language of my people, Pon Farr means marriage or challenge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wind-Up Rex View Post
    In the language of my people, Pon Farr means marriage or challenge.
    "We shield it with ritual and customs shrouded in antiquity. You humans have no conception. It strips our minds from us. It brings a madness which rips away our veneer of civilisation. It is the pon farr. The time of mating. There are precedents in nature, Captain. The giant eelbirds of Regulus Five, once each eleven years they must return to the caverns where they hatched. On your Earth, the salmon. They must return to that one stream where they were born, to spawn or die in trying."
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