User Tag List

First 4567 Last

Results 51 to 60 of 63

  1. #51
    Theta Male Julius_Van_Der_Beak's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    MBTI
    PORG
    Enneagram
    5w6 sp/so
    Socionics
    LII None
    Posts
    9,053

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by digesthisickness View Post
    Okay, so I was having a conversation with someone when they said the following. After reading it, I'd like your opinion on how right this person is, and if he's not right, how. As a huge fan of both, this is bugging me.

    HIM: Here's another thought - in the Star Wars EU, anything that is not touched by the Force cannot be killed with a lightsaber (because in the EU lighsabers are only possible because of the Force) or "Force pushed' etc. So in a Star Wars vs Star Trek crossover, all the Jedi powers would be useless against Captain Kirk!
    I really hate this takes up part of my mental real estate, but your supposed "expert" is wrong. It's true that in the E.U. Jedi powers are apparently necessary for constructing lightsabers. They are not necessary for operating lightsabers. This is even evident within the films themselves, as Han Solo uses one to cover Luke in Tauntaun guts. And that stupid cyborg general from Episode III appears to have no Jedi powers whatsoever, in the movie itself, or in EU sources (according to Wookiepedia)

    Even if the force did not work outside of the GFFA, Jedi still have light-sabers.

    As I side not, I always hated the fact that there were various ways of getting Force "immunity" or "Kryptonite" in the EU. It seems lazy, and it doesn't make sense if life is part of the force. In the films themselves, there are several characters that display immunity to Jedi mind tricks, but I always figured that this was more because of alien psychology. Furthermore, both individuals that display this are shrewd, greedy individuals, not very "weak-minded."

    It is interesting that even though the interstellar civilization of Star Wars is tens of thousands of years older than the one in Star Trek, Star Trek technology appears to be far more advanced. Teleporters, food replicators, universal translators, these don't exist in Star Wars.

    Quote Originally Posted by digestthissickness
    The one about pitting two specific people against one another. My god, to see that battle. What the HELL is wrong with Hollywood.
    Maybe this will be Episode 7, considering J.J Abrams's involvement.
    [Trump's] rhetoric is not an abuse of power. In the same way that it's also not against the law to do a backflip off of the roof of your house onto your concrete driveway. It's just mind-numbingly stupid and, to say the least, counterproductive. - Bush did 9-11


    This is not going to go the way you think....

    Visit my Johari:
    http://kevan.org/johari?name=Birddude78

  2. #52
    Emperor/Dictator kyuuei's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    MBTI
    enfp
    Enneagram
    8
    Posts
    13,881

    Default

    ^ I completely forgot that other people were using light sabers! Hah! And finally someone that agrees that Star Wars is not as technologically advanced as Star Trek
    Kantgirl: Just say "I'm feminine and I'll punch anyone who says otherwise!"
    Halla74: Think your way through the world. Feel your way through life.

    Cimarron: maybe Prpl will be your girl-bud
    prplchknz: i don't like it

    In Search Of... ... Kiwi Sketch Art ... Dream Journal ... Kyuuei's Cook book ... Kyu's Tiny House Blog ... Minimalist Challenge ... Kyu's Savings Challenge

  3. #53
    Society
    Guest

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    It is interesting that even though the interstellar civilization of Star Wars is tens of thousands of years older than the one in Star Trek, Star Trek technology appears to be far more advanced. Teleporters, food replicators, universal translators, these don't exist in Star Wars.
    but they don't really use it well, do they?
    why not use the replicators to build warp-drive von neumann probes teleporting their resources from barren rocks and asteroids to establishing FTL communication relays with teleportation chambers so that you can communicate through exploration drones on the front line of the expansion? this way you could teleport people, entire structures or even weapons to location on whim, explore a much larger area of space, have more flexible spaceships, have a lot less downtime for your crew... all while avoiding most of the risks one might have for life - everyone is safely sitting in a colony for most of the journey.
    warfare can be entirely non-lethal - the moment you get rid of someone's shield you just lock on to the life forms, replicate a suitable environment (based on your scanners) and beam them up into it, or alternatively - if you want to go the lethal way - just beam up a nuke onto the ship.
    and how many colonies? as much as you want, terraforming would be really easy - you can teleport various resources and reconstruct them into the right molecular structure, changing the chemistry of entire atmospheres, adding/reducing mass...

    i mean, there's a lot that can be done which they simply don't think of. its like civilization lost it's creativity.

  4. #54
    Theta Male Julius_Van_Der_Beak's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    MBTI
    PORG
    Enneagram
    5w6 sp/so
    Socionics
    LII None
    Posts
    9,053

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    ^ I completely forgot that other people were using light sabers! Hah! And finally someone that agrees that Star Wars is not as technologically advanced as Star Trek

    Yes, the technology in Star Wars is thousands of years older, but except for maybe the Death Star, Star Trek has way more advanced technology. Droids are less commonplace, but they appear to be more advanced as well. Who would you rather have on your side, C-3PO, or Data? R2 is awesome, but he can't even talk!
    [Trump's] rhetoric is not an abuse of power. In the same way that it's also not against the law to do a backflip off of the roof of your house onto your concrete driveway. It's just mind-numbingly stupid and, to say the least, counterproductive. - Bush did 9-11


    This is not going to go the way you think....

    Visit my Johari:
    http://kevan.org/johari?name=Birddude78

  5. #55
    Feline Member kelric's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    MBTI
    INtP
    Posts
    2,169

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Mane View Post
    but they don't really use it well, do they?
    why not use the replicators to build warp-drive von neumann probes teleporting their resources from barren rocks and asteroids to establishing FTL communication relays with teleportation chambers so that you can communicate through exploration drones on the front line of the expansion?
    I believe the "explanation" is that there's a distance limit on "beaming " (destruct/restruct teleportation), and that the limit's something like 25000 miles (wikipedia says 40K km), and doesn't work well through distances of rock. That prevents it from doing long-distance resource extraction, etc. Of course... the real reason that Star Trek has teleportation is... it was cheaper to film than making sets for spacecraft landing on planets. Not a very satisfying explanation, to be sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mane View Post
    i mean, there's a lot that can be done which they simply don't think of. its like civilization lost it's creativity.
    This is true... a lot of science fiction / fantasy suffers from this -- big, interesting premises that don't get taken advantage of. I mean, going back to the resource extraction... Star Trek even has people down in a prison-mine harvesting crystals, or whatever (movie VI). I'd think that sort of thing would be easily mechanized, at their supposed level of technology.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

  6. #56
    Emperor/Dictator kyuuei's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    MBTI
    enfp
    Enneagram
    8
    Posts
    13,881

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    Yes, the technology in Star Wars is thousands of years older, but except for maybe the Death Star, Star Trek has way more advanced technology. Droids are less commonplace, but they appear to be more advanced as well. Who would you rather have on your side, C-3PO, or Data? R2 is awesome, but he can't even talk!
    Yeah, I mean honestly even if you include the limitations of movie magic and look at some of the more advanced movies, Star Trek STILL outweighs them technologically. I'm too casual to describe specifics, but I know superior technology when I see it.
    Kantgirl: Just say "I'm feminine and I'll punch anyone who says otherwise!"
    Halla74: Think your way through the world. Feel your way through life.

    Cimarron: maybe Prpl will be your girl-bud
    prplchknz: i don't like it

    In Search Of... ... Kiwi Sketch Art ... Dream Journal ... Kyuuei's Cook book ... Kyu's Tiny House Blog ... Minimalist Challenge ... Kyu's Savings Challenge

  7. #57
    Wake, See, Sing, Dance Cellmold's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Posts
    5,810

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Qlip View Post
    Sounds legit, I'll buy it. Only because I love the idea of Kirk kicking multiple Jedi ass with brawling fisticuffs and table flipping.
    And throwing his shoes.
    'One of (Lucas) Cranach's masterpieces, discussed by (Joseph) Koerner, is in it's self-referentiality the perfect expression of left-hemisphere emptiness and a precursor of post-modernism. There is no longer anything to point to beyond, nothing Other, so it points pointlessly to itself.' - Iain McGilChrist

    Suppose a tree fell down, Pooh, when we were underneath it?"
    "Suppose it didn't," said Pooh, after careful thought.
    Piglet was comforted by this.
    - A.A. Milne.

  8. #58
    Society
    Guest

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by kelric View Post
    I believe the "explanation" is that there's a distance limit on "beaming " (destruct/restruct teleportation), and that the limit's something like 25000 miles (wikipedia says 40K km), and doesn't work well through distances of rock.
    that's why i said build an array - a teleportation chamber every 2500 to pass on the teleported goods. as for mineral extraction, you could still teleport the material out of a hole from the top down to the resource you want (or just use a laser) and extract everything out of it. it can be as small as you need it to be (a few molecules thick?), no danger of any structure collapsing with force fields...


    Quote Originally Posted by kelric View Post
    This is true... a lot of science fiction / fantasy suffers from this -- big, interesting premises that don't get taken advantage of. I mean, going back to the resource extraction... Star Trek even has people down in a prison-mine harvesting crystals, or whatever (movie VI). I'd think that sort of thing would be easily mechanized, at their supposed level of technology.
    this reminds me:

  9. #59
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Posts
    4,226

    Default

    This thread is tough to wade through. Too much of a reminder of how Star Wars became very, very stupid after 1983.

  10. #60
    ✿ڿڰۣஇღ♥ wut ♥ღஇڿڰۣ✿ digesthisickness's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    MBTI
    ENTP
    Posts
    3,262

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by 93JC View Post
    This thread is tough to wade through. Too much of a reminder of how Star Wars became very, very stupid after 1983.
    Yeah, my grandmother wasn't a fan either.
    ✻ღϠ₡ღ✻
    (¯`✻´¯)
    `*.¸.*'ღϠ₡ღஇڿڰۣ
    •.¸¸. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒჱܓ. இڿڰۣ.¸¸.இڿڰۣ´¯`·.─♥


    Cerebral Artery
    http://www.facebook.com/CerebralArtery

Similar Threads

  1. Star Trek vs. Star Wars
    By Julius_Van_Der_Beak in forum Arts & Entertainment
    Replies: 134
    Last Post: 09-20-2015, 07:29 AM
  2. Star Wars vs. Star Trek
    By Julius_Van_Der_Beak in forum Arts & Entertainment
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 09-19-2015, 07:23 PM
  3. Star Wars vs World Religions
    By Survive & Stay Free in forum Philosophy and Spirituality
    Replies: 12
    Last Post: 08-14-2015, 03:49 PM
  4. Star Trek: TOS Is Back On YouTube!
    By Mal12345 in forum Arts & Entertainment
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 06-19-2014, 07:11 PM
  5. Is 'the Force' in Star Wars real?
    By RaptorWizard in forum Philosophy and Spirituality
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: 07-09-2013, 06:29 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO