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    Quote Originally Posted by jontherobot View Post
    Good point. I'd like to say they train without using the force, with vibroblades perhaps, but how do you simply "turn off" such an inherent part of their nature? Maybe they have a way, like someone here may train doing something blindfolded. I imagine the Jedi Order having such insight.
    Right, but even when they aren't using the force, it is an integral part of their system. I don't use my hand when I sleep, but I would still feel distorted if it were suddenly missing. I think training in the new environment would be an essential part of the Jedi. They would either need to adapt and overcome a lack of the force, or learn to tap back into the force in a new galaxy.

    Though in my experience with crossover battles, you always presume characters have access to their strongest features - people like using Master Chief from Halo, and it's usually implied he has access to MJOLNIR. Same with Kratos, it is just implied he has his chain blades. A Jedi without the force or a lightsaber, he's nothing more than a finely trained spec ops soldier.
    Right. Putting them and Kirk on the same level and giving Kirk the advantage. I would assume a Jedi would be able to tap into the force, even if it was different in a new galaxy vs his home galaxy, but Kirk would have the advantage of knowledge for an immediate battle. A Jedi could potentially counter many of the technological weapons Kirk would have at his disposal, but the element of surprise and his general sense of tenacity when it comes to finding the weaknesses in his enemies would be Kirk's battle if it were immediate. With training and time, the Jedi would overpower Kirk. The Jedi won't know how the ships and teleportation work immediately.. but with training, sure.

    If Kirk were going into their galaxy, being trained to have to deal with anything being thrown his way, I think that teleportation would still be his key ability in survival against a Jedi attacking him as it would still take the Jedi by surprise--most people just do not teleport in that galaxy. I think Kirk could rid a Jedi of his light saber, but the force itself would still make the Jedi the victor as Kirk has no real weapon against it. It is everywhere. (Now Spock, on the other hand, may be a victor if he could get his hands on the opponent and do that Vulcan pass-tfo trick.)

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    hmm, but once you have FTL in the world without any space-warping involved, meaning your ship is actually moving itself faster then light speed (not folding space or wormholes or any kind of shortcut), aren't you sort of break the law of energy conservation? you've used the whole energy of the universe to accelerate... and then again to stop.. so the universe is sort of like in debt of one universe's energy (presumably to another universe-loanshark).
    Assuming he's even using his ship. I wouldn't even consider a ship to be a key article for this battle, since most of Kirk's battles are not fought with the ship itself. It is a means of transfer to his many adventures, and while being a Captain of it is who he is, the ship runs just fine with or without him. If the battle were taking place on a ship that'd just give Kirk that much longer of an advantage on the time-to-survival ratio of Kirk vs Jedi.. Kirk knows his ship better than anyone, and that gives him a very huge homeland advantage on an otherwise already advantageous position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    Right, but even when they aren't using the force, it is an integral part of their system. I don't use my hand when I sleep, but I would still feel distorted if it were suddenly missing. I think training in the new environment would be an essential part of the Jedi. They would either need to adapt and overcome a lack of the force, or learn to tap back into the force in a new galaxy.

    Like I said, though, if they have a way to inhibit their connection to the force they are already prepared for this... droids have neural scramblers, in the universe. They may have this technology as well. If they do, the point is moot...



    Right. Putting them and Kirk on the same level and giving Kirk the advantage. I would assume a Jedi would be able to tap into the force, even if it was different in a new galaxy vs his home galaxy, but Kirk would have the advantage of knowledge for an immediate battle. A Jedi could potentially counter many of the technological weapons Kirk would have at his disposal, but the element of surprise and his general sense of tenacity when it comes to finding the weaknesses in his enemies would be Kirk's battle if it were immediate. With training and time, the Jedi would overpower Kirk. The Jedi won't know how the ships and teleportation work immediately.. but with training, sure.

    If Kirk were going into their galaxy, being trained to have to deal with anything being thrown his way, I think that teleportation would still be his key ability in survival against a Jedi attacking him as it would still take the Jedi by surprise--most people just do not teleport in that galaxy. I think Kirk could rid a Jedi of his light saber, but the force itself would still make the Jedi the victor as Kirk has no real weapon against it. It is everywhere. (Now Spock, on the other hand, may be a victor if he could get his hands on the opponent and do that Vulcan pass-tfo trick.)

    Why are we presuming Kirk has an immediate element of surprise? Jedi are masters of espionage. And why do we presume they won't know how his ship works? As me and Mane have established, they know far more in the Star Wars universe about interstellar travel (FTL has been established, apart from tricky happenings like in Star Trek). They might even view their technology as primitive. The Star Trek universe is only a century or three ahead of us. The Star Wars universe has had interstellar travel inherent to its workings for millennia.

    As for teleportation, the power has achieved by many force users. They don't even need technology, it is a power inherent to their minds: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Teleport

    I think we would have to select a specific Jedi, also, if this is to carry out seriously - just as I wouldn't pit Anakin against a Redshirt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jontherobot View Post
    Like I said, though, if they have a way to inhibit their connection to the force they are already prepared for this... droids have neural scramblers, in the universe. They may have this technology as well. If they do, the point is moot...
    Or we could use the power from the phazers to recharge the dilithium crystals and block it that way:

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    As a friend suggested to me in private, Kirk's had his hoozit in so much poontang over the years that if he wasn't infected by midicholorians in the past, he sure would be soon enough.
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    Oh, shit, phazers, both hand-held and on board. And, Spock is a weapon in and of himself like @kyuuei said. As are many other aliens, who come from various galaxies, who make up ST crews. But this midi energy and its limitations are still an issue as I'm not quite sure yet about their ability to work some or at all outside of their own galaxy (thanks for that info, @Mane). Whereas, the USS Enterprise and others in the fleet are designed specifically to work in many galaxies as are the crew. The Star Wars technology is so kick ass and advanced, but is it as effective when out of its galaxy? I don't see why not, personally, if we're only speaking of technology, but I'm open to different thoughts.

    It would help if I knew how they bind the Star Wars galaxy together. Knowing that seems like it would be integral in figuring out if it is dependent on it or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    As a friend suggested to me in private, Kirk's had his hoozit in so much poontang over the years that if he wasn't infected by midicholorians in the past, he sure would be soon enough.
    Okay, LOL, damn good point. It's possible he's already come it contact with it, saw "the signs" again, went to Bones, who rolled his eyes, and 'cured' him thus making him inoculated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    Assuming he's even using his ship. I wouldn't even consider a ship to be a key article for this battle, since most of Kirk's battles are not fought with the ship itself. It is a means of transfer to his many adventures, and while being a Captain of it is who he is, the ship runs just fine with or without him. If the battle were taking place on a ship that'd just give Kirk that much longer of an advantage on the time-to-survival ratio of Kirk vs Jedi.. Kirk knows his ship better than anyone, and that gives him a very huge homeland advantage on an otherwise already advantageous position.

    i was thinking of SWs ships (ST ships supposedly warp space itself, so they do keep the law of energy conservation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digesthisickness View Post
    It would help if I knew how they bind the Star Wars galaxy together. Knowing that seems like it would be integral in figuring out if it is dependent on it or not.
    well the wiki said that they are a necessity for life in their galaxy, so... wait would they just die if they left it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mane View Post
    well the wiki said that they are a necessity for life in their galaxy, so... wait would they just die if they left it?
    Interesting. Like oxygen perhaps? Or something similar? OR, electricity? If it's symbiotic, that would make it like a parasitic organism, right? Like how good bacteria works within us.
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