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    Romney - ESTJ
    Ryan - ENTJ

    Obama - ENTP
    Biden - ESTP

    These would be my guesses; however, MBTI is unrelated to things like social philosophy or political standing. I'm personally unconvinced that MBTI has any reliable associative link to any real-world metric, if I'm honest. In this case (without reading the thread) I think there's temptation to provide dispensation to one's "favored" function and unfairly pair it with the ideology that best matches personal stances on life and individual experiences with other people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Still not seeing an N, in the sense that N's think about the connections between things primarily. I've seen FAR too many S "moralists" who are perfectly capable of aggrandizing a situation into a climactic battle between the forces of good and evil, democracy vs communism, or some other extreme ideology -- it's just a shadow form of N, with little nuance. I see them in politics, I see them in religion, I see them everywhere.

    So I'm still not seeing N here as a healthy nuanced function.
    A politician who sensationalizes something does not always believe in it themselves, they may just do it for effect.

    Ronald Reagan played the "simple" card and was widely mocked as stupid by his detractors, and loved for his down-to-earth nature by hi supporters.

    When he was very old, his personal letters were published and people saw that his public act was very far from his real personality.

    Next, iNtuitives can often have very evil ideologies, but just in a more "intellectual" guise. The founder of the Shining Path terorist group in Peru, one of the most violent terrorist organizations in history, was a Philosophy lecturer and renowned intellectual.

    Likewise nobody who had studied them would doubt that the founders of the most murderous ideology inhistory - Marx, Engels and, later, Lenin, who adapted their ideology - were all N's.

    I think you are following the common MBTI route of identifying negative characteristics, with types other than your own, and identifying positive characteristics, with your own type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Il Morto Che Parla View Post
    I think you are following the common MBTI route of identifying negative characteristics, with types other than your own, and identifying positive characteristics, with your own type.
    Uh... no.
    I just don't think he's an N.
    I could just as easily say your own inherent biases are leading you to misread me.

    And to answer the other insinuation in your post:
    S people also consider me an ally, typically, on this forum and others, despite my being N; and I have a lot of issue with some N behavior. I certainly don't promote N style as better than S style, and I despise seeing N's who do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I could just as easily say your own inherent biases are leading you to misread me.

    And to answer the other insinuation in your post:
    S people also consider me an ally, typically, on this forum and others, despite my being N; and I have a lot of issue with some N behavior. I certainly don't promote N style as better than S style, and I despise seeing N's who do that.
    Damn some intp's on a forum love to get on a high horse don't they it's why INTPc is such a flame fest

    I don't know what my inherent biases are meant to be. also aren't biases learned and not inherent?

    Regarding my "insinuations", I didn't make any insiuations, I just said directly what I thought you were doing!

    If it's true that you don't really think that way, then I am sorry for the misunderstanding, however it was a reasonable supposition from your post, where you said that black and white sensationalist politics, are an S trait.

    I don't think this is true. I think that most intellectuals who are iNtuitives may have a complex understanding of reality but when it comes to actually DOING politics, they are more than capable of simplifying things to a black and white vision "for the masses".

    Take Marxism. Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, and Vladimir Illych Lenin, were undoubtedly iNtuitives and able to have a very "interconnected" view of reality, however their propaganda was murderous, violent, and sensationalist.

    So good sir, I dispute your previous post, no "insinuation" necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Il Morto Che Parla View Post
    Damn some intp's on a forum love to get on a high horse don't they it's why INTPc is such a flame fest
    You're really good at saying exactly the wrong thing, you know that? Now you're making assumptions about me based on type rather than as an individual; I also typically don't post over at INTPc because I don't like the atmosphere.

    Wanna try again? (On second thought, please don't; there's a reason I typically skip your posts anyway.)

    Regarding my "insinuations", I didn't make any insiuations, I just said directly what I thought you were doing!
    I was being kind.

    If it's true that you don't really think that way, then I am sorry for the misunderstanding, however it was a reasonable supposition from your post, where you said that black and white sensationalist politics, are an S trait.
    This is why I don't like to enter these kinds of "typing" discussions, and why in fact I dropped out of this particular thread for weeks until you Quoted me today.

    In general, typing to me is a pattern-matching thing, not a detail analysis. But people have trouble with anything but the latter. And trying to explain my perceptions, I typically just get this kind of crap from people that you're giving me here.

    I dropped out of this discussion for a reason, and I don't plan to re-engage.

    So good sir, I dispute your previous post, no "insinuation" necessary.
    Sir?

    Anyway, I'm done with the topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    You're really good at saying exactly the wrong thing, you know that? Now you're making assumptions about me based on type rather than as an individual; I also typically don't post over at INTPc because I don't like the atmosphere.
    What assumption? It was an observation not an assumption.

    This is why I don't like to enter these kinds of "typing" discussions, and why in fact I dropped out of this particular thread for weeks until you Quoted me today.
    Nope, you psoted today at 7.02 pm before I quoted you, go to the bottom of page 3.

    In general, typing to me is a pattern-matching thing, not a detail analysis. But people have trouble with anything but the latter. And trying to explain my perceptions, I typically just get this kind of crap from people that you're giving me here.
    No-one gave you any crap, I just disagreed..which is apparently a terrible thing to do?

    Maybe you're just too sensitive!

    I dropped out of this discussion for a reason, and I don't plan to re-engage.


    Sir?

    Anyway, I'm done with the topic.
    Ok then...people on this forum usually need to have the last word...and I usually let them...so on this occasion I will accept your gracious decision to reverse the aforementioned trend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiharu View Post
    So Romney could very well be an ENTJ, just not a very bright one.
    Wait...ENTJs are supposed to be bright?

    I could see ENTJ. So does this guy:
    http://www.mlm.com/articles/view/per...f-series/print
    He has Obama as INFP. It's not out of the question.

    And another:
    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/...rsonality-type
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    Gosh, the world looks so small from up here on my high horse of menstruation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    Romney - ESTJ
    Ryan - ENTJ
    I think Ryan may be an ENFP...... he's more "out there," kind of like Gingrich.

    Obama - ENTP
    Biden - ESTP
    Obama could maybe be ENTP..... I've heard a good case for INFJ too. No clue about Biden.

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    I'll go with ESTJ.

    Obama is an NP? I'm don't see that. Maybe ESTP.

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