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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    And what sort of imagery do you think Dylan would use if he were, hypothetically, an Ni type?
    INJs do not usually directly extrovert intuition--although they do so somewhat more overtly in writing--so of course you'd find a lot of implied Ni expressed directly through a judging function.

    INFJs, of course communicate via Fe.

    Some useful info (also applies to those who mistype George Harrison as an INFJ):

    INFJ or INFP? a closer look under "Your Preferred Communication Style"

    Both INFPs and ISFP extrovert perceptive statements most of the time.
    INFJs extrovert judging, definitive, directive statements.

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    Do you honestly think you can type based on lyrics??? O_o
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCat View Post
    Bob Dylan- Time Magazine interview

    [YOUTUBE="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlSzWJ0-r24"]...[/YOUTUBE]

    I see clear Fi, Se, and Ni. I relate a lot to him. ISFP.

    Messages based on functions-

    Se- This is how it actually is; you are imperceptive and you fail.
    Ni- What you do is meaningless, everything is meaningless in the end. We will all die and it won't matter.

    Ni quote- Each of us thinks we know something, but we all know nothing. None of us know anything.
    There are certainly some subtle cues that Bob On Speed is an INFP rather than an ISFP from that interview--the humorous use of metaphor and the big-picture focus. Nevertheless, it's more defensible to mistype Bob as an ISFP than an INFJ as INFPs and ISFPs have far more similar interaction styles. Indeed, because the use of iNtuition is extroverted with INFPs, it's often difficult to tell them apart based on very short snippets of conversation. It's how those perceptive statements are linked (or not linked, in the case of ISFPs) that is key.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCat View Post
    Do you honestly think you can type based on lyrics??? O_o
    Depends on the lyrics. For Bob Dylan, the Shakespeare of music, absolutely. The canon is ginormous:
    Home Page | Bob Dylan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fecal McAngry View Post
    INJs do not usually directly extrovert intuition--although they do so somewhat more overtly in writing--so of course you'd find a lot of implied Ni expressed directly through a judging function.
    My implication with that question was that you've mistakenly assumed that vivid imagery of real things is automatically associated with Ne. It's not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fecal McAngry View Post
    INFJs, of course communicate via Fe.
    HINT: ISFP is also an Ni type. Dylan is bursting with Ni, because he's a really smart dude and really intelligent people tend to be proficient in a variety of functions. In the interview that BC posted, he shows Se+Ni when he says that "the real truth would be a picture of a hobo vomiting into a sewer" (Se) "next to a rich business exec in his office building" (Ni.) The direct, guttural impact of seeing a literal, concrete image (Se) + the underlying symbolism created by the contrast between absolute destitution vs. extravagant wealth. (Ni.)

    Not to mention the quote BC posted--"We all think we know something, but none of us know anything." That's about as Ni as it gets.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fecal McAngry View Post
    Some useful info (also applies to those who mistype George Harrison as an INFJ):

    INFJ or INFP? a closer look under "Your Preferred Communication Style"

    Both INFPs and ISFP extrovert perceptive statements most of the time.
    INFJs extrovert judging, definitive, directive statements.
    Yes, I'm aware that Ps use Pe/Ji and Js use Je/Pi. Can you try an approach other than recounting basic theoretical principles and actually make an argument for why you think Harrison is showing the behaviors you're describing?

    Seriously, your entire approach seems to consist of:

    1) Declare that you're right,
    2) Paste a huge amount of interview content/lyrics,
    3) Don't bother to explain anything about how this content demonstrates the functional attitude you're arguing for, and
    4) Declare that you're right again.

    It's not working very well. You also don't seem to bother responding when others do point out specific instances of use of the functions they see. Why don't you try rebutting some of the real arguments people have made instead of just pasting more lyrics and repeatedly insisting that you're right?


    Quote Originally Posted by Fecal McAngry View Post
    There are certainly some subtle cues that Bob On Speed is an INFP rather than an ISFP from that interview--the humorous use of metaphor and the big-picture focus. Nevertheless, it's more defensible to mistype Bob as an ISFP than an INFJ as INFPs and ISFPs have far more similar interaction styles. Indeed, because the use of iNtuition is extroverted with INFPs, it's often difficult to tell them apart based on very short snippets of conversation. It's how those perceptive statements are linked (or not linked, in the case of ISFPs) that is key.
    The only argument you seem to have offered here is that he makes use of "humorous metaphor and big-picture focus." I'm at a complete loss for how you think this indicates Ne+Si over Se+Ni. Ni is digging at the true big picture--all the way down to the absolute bottom of meaning and significance in life. You seem to be implying that ISFPs can't have strong N functions.

    After that you've just rambled on about similarities between INFPs and ISFPs without really addressing the issue in question. BC and I are both quite familiar with basic typology theorems; you can stop "informing" us about Typology 101 concepts any time.
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    My implication with that question was that you've mistakenly assumed that vivid imagery of real things is automatically associated with Ne. It's not.
    It can be associated with SPs as well, though the form is very different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCat View Post
    Bob Dylan- Time Magazine interview

    [YOUTUBE="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlSzWJ0-r24"]...[/YOUTUBE]

    I see clear Fi, Se, and Ni. I relate a lot to him. ISFP.

    Messages based on functions-

    Se- This is how it actually is; you are imperceptive and you fail.
    Ni- What you do is meaningless, everything is meaningless in the end. We will all die and it won't matter.

    Ni quote- Each of us thinks we know something, but we all know nothing. None of us know anything.
    That was a great interview! It really made my day thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    , I'm aware that Ps use Pe/Ji and Js use Je/Pi.
    No. You are not, because you do not understand that

    1) INFJs extrovert feeling, not intuition
    2) Fe is a judging function
    3) Judging statements have a very different form than perceptive statements, which is described clearly at the link above.

    If you choose not to read that, that's your problem.

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