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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemonday View Post
    Pfft. Dylan is totally N.

    He's been discussed in several threads, and typed as INFJ here.
    Agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Dylan didn't care for many of the hippies around him, and he was far more iconoclastic than most of the popular singer-songwriters of the period.
    True. While the Beatles were putting out Sgt. Pepper (42 years ago today-- man that's hard to believe), Dylan was putting out an album of songs that would've been at home back in Woody Guthrie's time.

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    why was he iconoclastic? bc he played folk music electric, or bc everybody fucking resonated with his songs and built up a legend o bob dylan when he just kept saying "leave me the fuck alone?" i don't think he was trying to invent anything new, he was just trying to find things that needed to be said and saying them, SHOWING them, singing them, etc. his heart was all folk music, he just was really fucking inspired by italian and french poets for a while. listen to him talk and it's so Se concrete. he is extremely distrustful of the media and refuses to be painted into a category/corner. they do not encompass the feelings he gets or the thins he has seen. he has strong tertiary Ni and uses personification well. but it's not like he's chock full of metaphors.

    plus watch him talk and you'll immediately see he's Fi dominant. NOT Ni, he's not searching for ideas but feelings, impressions, and concrete facts. fuck it- infjs don't even believe in any of those three things. just give me ideas, and let them wash over me like the sun and rain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcasticus View Post
    I haven't seen him discussed here. My guess would be INFJ. Thoughts?
    How about Joan Baez?
    INFP and ENFJ.

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    ISFP for dylan
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    ISFP for dylan
    Bob is about as Ne as any writer who has ever lived...

    They're selling postcards of the hanging
    They're painting the passports brown
    The beauty parlor is filled with sailors
    The circus is in town
    Here comes the blind commissioner
    They've got him in a trance
    One hand is tied to the tight-rope walker
    The other is in his pants
    And the riot squad they're restless
    They need somewhere to go
    As Lady and I look out tonight
    From Desolation Row

    Cinderella, she seems so easy
    "It takes one to know one," she smiles
    And puts her hands in her back pockets
    Bette Davis style
    And in comes Romeo, he's moaning
    "You Belong to Me I Believe"
    And someone says," You're in the wrong place, my friend
    You better leave"
    And the only sound that's left
    After the ambulances go
    Is Cinderella sweeping up
    On Desolation Row

    Now the moon is almost hidden
    The stars are beginning to hide
    The fortunetelling lady
    Has even taken all her things inside
    All except for Cain and Abel
    And the hunchback of Notre Dame
    Everybody is making love
    Or else expecting rain
    And the Good Samaritan, he's dressing
    He's getting ready for the show
    He's going to the carnival tonight
    On Desolation Row

    Now Ophelia, she's 'neath the window
    For her I feel so afraid
    On her twenty-second birthday
    She already is an old maid

    To her, death is quite romantic
    She wears an iron vest
    Her profession's her religion
    Her sin is her lifelessness
    And though her eyes are fixed upon
    Noah's great rainbow
    She spends her time peeking
    Into Desolation Row

    Einstein, disguised as Robin Hood
    With his memories in a trunk
    Passed this way an hour ago
    With his friend, a jealous monk
    He looked so immaculately frightful
    As he bummed a cigarette
    Then he went off sniffing drainpipes
    And reciting the alphabet
    Now you would not think to look at him
    But he was famous long ago
    For playing the electric violin
    On Desolation Row

    Dr. Filth, he keeps his world
    Inside of a leather cup
    But all his sexless patients
    They're trying to blow it up
    Now his nurse, some local loser
    She's in charge of the cyanide hole
    And she also keeps the cards that read
    "Have Mercy on His Soul"
    They all play on penny whistles
    You can hear them blow
    If you lean your head out far enough
    From Desolation Row

    Across the street they've nailed the curtains
    They're getting ready for the feast
    The Phantom of the Opera
    A perfect image of a priest
    They're spoonfeeding Casanova
    To get him to feel more assured
    Then they'll kill him with self-confidence
    After poisoning him with words

    And the Phantom's shouting to skinny girls
    "Get Outa Here If You Don't Know
    Casanova is just being punished for going
    To Desolation Row"

    Now at midnight all the agents
    And the superhuman crew
    Come out and round up everyone
    That knows more than they do
    Then they bring them to the factory
    Where the heart-attack machine
    Is strapped across their shoulders
    And then the kerosene
    Is brought down from the castles
    By insurance men who go
    Check to see that nobody is escaping
    To Desolation Row

    Praise be to Nero's Neptune
    The Titanic sails at dawn
    And everybody's shouting
    "Which Side Are You On?"
    And Ezra Pound and T. S. Eliot
    Fighting in the captain's tower
    While calypso singers laugh at them
    And fishermen hold flowers
    Between the windows of the sea
    Where lovely mermaids flow
    And nobody has to think too much
    About Desolation Row

    Yes, I received your letter yesterday
    (About the time the door knob broke)
    When you asked how I was doing
    Was that some kind of joke?
    All these people that you mention
    Yes, I know them, they're quite lame
    I had to rearrange their faces
    And give them all another name
    Right now I can't read too good
    Don't send me no more letters no
    Not unless you mail them
    From Desolation Row


    'Twas in another lifetime, one of toil and blood
    When blackness was a virtue and the road was full of mud
    I came in from the wilderness, a creature void of form.
    "Come in," she said,
    "I'll give you shelter from the storm."

    And if I pass this way again, you can rest assured
    I'll always do my best for her, on that I give my word
    In a world of steel-eyed death, and men who are fighting to be warm.
    "Come in," she said,
    "I'll give you shelter from the storm."

    Not a word was spoke between us, there was little risk involved
    Everything up to that point had been left unresolved.
    Try imagining a place where it's always safe and warm.
    "Come in," she said,
    "I'll give you shelter from the storm."

    I was burned out from exhaustion, buried in the hail,
    Poisoned in the bushes an' blown out on the trail,
    Hunted like a crocodile, ravaged in the corn.
    "Come in," she said,
    "I'll give you shelter from the storm."

    Suddenly I turned around and she was standin' there
    With silver bracelets on her wrists and flowers in her hair.
    She walked up to me so gracefully and took my crown of thorns.
    "Come in," she said,
    "I'll give you shelter from the storm."

    Now there's a wall between us, somethin' there's been lost
    I took too much for granted, got my signals crossed.
    Just to think that it all began on a long-forgotten morn.
    "Come in," she said,
    "I'll give you shelter from the storm."

    Well, the deputy walks on hard nails and the preacher rides a mount
    But nothing really matters much, it's doom alone that counts
    And the one-eyed undertaker, he blows a futile horn.
    "Come in," she said,
    "I'll give you shelter from the storm."

    I've heard newborn babies wailin' like a mournin' dove
    And old men with broken teeth stranded without love.
    Do I understand your question, man, is it hopeless and forlorn?
    "Come in," she said,
    "I'll give you shelter from the storm."

    In a little hilltop village, they gambled for my clothes
    I bargained for salvation an' they gave me a lethal dose.
    I offered up my innocence and got repaid with scorn.
    "Come in," she said,
    "I'll give you shelter from the storm."

    Well, I'm livin' in a foreign country but I'm bound to cross the line
    Beauty walks a razor's edge, someday I'll make it mine.
    If I could only turn back the clock to when God and her were born.
    "Come in," she said,
    "I'll give you shelter from the storm."

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    ^ Why are these lyrics any more Ne than Ni, out of curiosity?
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    ^ Why are these lyrics any more Ne than Ni, out of curiosity?
    Because the N is extroverted! Ne draws connections between things that are actually there. It is concrete. Even when the user creates imaginary worlds populated by imaginary imagery (INFP Lennon), that imagery itself is concrete, real.

    INFJ Lyrics, by comparison:

    "The Future"

    Give me back my broken night
    my mirrored room, my secret life
    it's lonely here,
    there's no one left to torture
    Give me absolute control
    over every living soul
    And lie beside me, baby,
    that's an order!
    Give me crack and anal sex
    Take the only tree that's left
    and stuff it up the hole
    in your culture
    Give me back the Berlin wall
    give me Stalin and St Paul
    I've seen the future, brother:
    it is murder.

    Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
    Won't be nothing
    Nothing you can measure anymore
    The blizzard, the blizzard of the world
    has crossed the threshold
    and it has overturned
    the order of the soul
    When they said REPENT REPENT
    I wonder what they meant
    When they said REPENT REPENT
    I wonder what they meant
    When they said REPENT REPENT
    I wonder what they meant

    You don't know me from the wind
    you never will, you never did
    I'm the little jew
    who wrote the Bible
    I've seen the nations rise and fall
    I've heard their stories, heard them all
    but love's the only engine of survival
    Your servant here, he has been told
    to say it clear, to say it cold:
    It's over, it ain't going
    any further
    And now the wheels of heaven stop
    you feel the devil's riding crop
    Get ready for the future:
    it is murder

    Things are going to slide ...

    There'll be the breaking of the ancient
    western code
    Your private life will suddenly explode
    There'll be phantoms
    There'll be fires on the road
    and the white man dancing
    You'll see a woman
    hanging upside down
    her features covered by her fallen gown
    and all the lousy little poets
    coming round
    tryin' to sound like Charlie Manson
    and the white man dancin'

    Give me back the Berlin wall
    Give me Stalin and St Paul
    Give me Christ
    or give me Hiroshima
    Destroy another fetus now
    We don't like children anyhow
    I've seen the future, baby:
    it is murder

    Things are going to slide ...

    When they said REPENT REPENT ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fecal McAngry View Post
    Because the N is extroverted! Ne draws connections between things that are actually there. It is concrete. Even when the user creates imaginary worlds populated by imaginary imagery (INFP Lennon), that imagery itself is concrete, real.
    And what sort of imagery do you think Dylan would use if he were, hypothetically, an Ni type?
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Bob Dylan- Time Magazine interview

    [YOUTUBE="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlSzWJ0-r24"]...[/YOUTUBE]

    I see clear Fi, Se, and Ni. I relate a lot to him. ISFP.

    Messages based on functions-

    Se- This is how it actually is; you are imperceptive and you fail.
    Ni- What you do is meaningless, everything is meaningless in the end. We will all die and it won't matter.

    Ni quote- Each of us thinks we know something, but we all know nothing. None of us know anything.
    () 9w8-3w4-7w6 tritype.

    sCueI (primary Inquisition)

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