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    Welcome to Sunnyside Mondo's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    Another assumption.
    Sorry about the way I worded my 'assumption' (I notice it did sound like that I was 100% sure that was the answer), I don't think this is necessarily true but it would be a possible way to explain why some books/movies have a majority of iNtuitive characters in them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PinkPiranha View Post
    It's true, Protes. Statistically speaking most characters in books/movies are Intuitives (possibly the only way they can exert themselves without awkwardness in real life? lol *eyeroll*) Bleh. Anyhoo, Ns grossly outnumber Ss in most literature, particularly fiction. I think it MUST be writer bias.

    But my favorite fiction guy, Heathcliff, his bad bad self is an ISTP. WOOT.

    FWIW, I took the characters to be like this: (all just my opinion though!)

    Han - ENTJ
    Leia - ENFP (Carrie Fischer playing her shadow)
    Anakin - ISF/TJ
    Darth Vader - ISTJ (didn't see any change whatsoever between his "good" and "bad")
    Fett - ISTJ
    Padme - E/INFP
    Obi Wan - INFJ
    Qui Gon - ISFJ
    Chewbacca - ME
    Luke - DORK (like who cares, shrimpy blond whiny guy!?)

    Ta da!!!
    How is Anakin an ISFJ or an ISTJ? He is a clear N, look at how he approached life. He constantly questioned tradition and rules, he thought about possibilities, he questioned the current form of the government instead of accepting it. He also has the ENFP trait of not thinking their big ideas through very clearly. In his final face off with Obi, he says that he is going to overthrow the emperor and take over the galaxy.

    He is a very chatty person too, so I don't see how you could think he is an I. Look at when he was a kid and how assertive and socially bold he was. Look at the Padme scenes as well.

    To the person who believes it's statistically impossible to have this many N's in literature. Like a previous poster said, that is irrelevant because it's a fictional universe. A person can make a world with all Chinese people if they wanted or all gorillas, they can make anything. There are probably more N's, because there are more N writers.

    Obviously there is going to be N bias, people always want their favorite characters to be their types. Someone claimed that Tony Soprano was an INTJ, which is ridiculous. So I do see what you are saying, there is an incredible amount of N bias, but that's human nature, what do you expect?

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    Intuitive leaps are a good plot device, that's probably the biggest reason why so many characters seem N.

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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
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    So when people say that most of the characters are Ns because most of the writers or creators are Ns, that doesn't make sense to me. Just because you're dealing with fiction or fantasy doesn't always mean that it's an N that creates it. Seems like a pretty simple thought to wrap your mind around.
    To be imaginative and creative is a basic trait for being human - just like using language is a basic trait. How people experience and express these can vary, certainly. You are right to point out that each type possesses both an iNtuitive and Sensing function. The theory doesn't even suggest the binary approach that we often see in these water cooler analysis.

    But it is amusing and beyond to have a debate over whether Darth Vader is a Sensor or iNtuitive. Personally, I think he was well rounded.

    At least we know yoda iNtuitive he was.
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    Possibly some of the following points have been made already in other threads. I don’t know if this is typical, but I have serious problems getting onto and staying on this website, not to mention extremely slow downloads, and thus am not able to read and respond to as many posts as I’d like.

    I'm rethinking my typing of Anikan Skywalker and possibly Luke Skywalker, but not Harry Potter. It may be time for a Star Wars marathon.

    The problem with typing characters, Star Wars and otherwise, isn’t only that they are sometimes written inconsistantly, it’s that (like real people) they aren't always in their dominant functions and preferences. You can’t say a character isn’t a T, for instance, because he’s had emotional reactions in various dramatic or love scenes. Anakin Skywalker may be an F, but his highly emotional and vengeful response to his mother’s death doesn’t in itself make him more F than T. Most T’s aren’t Vulcans; they have a feeling side that’s going to emerge in the kind of highlight scenes of their lives that make up a film or novel. Likewise, an S character in Luke’s situation, where the fate of a galaxy is at stake, is going to have moments of displaying big picture awareness. We all have to use our weaker functions at times and most people have have interests which fall outside the realm of their main functions.

    The aim of MB typing is to determine the dominant set of functions and the temperament by figuring out the “typee”’s 4 preferences. The inherent flaw is that for the sake of simplicity people are placed into 16 slots that don’t take into account the variations of preference degree in each type for each letter. For example, there’s going to be a notable difference between an INTP who's 60% T/40% F, 5 with a 4 wing on the Enneagram, and an INTP whose 80%T and a 5 with a 6 wing on the Enneagram. The former is going to sometimes appear as an INFP, and thus sometimes be mistyped as such, especially if you make a film about that person’s life showing the most emotionally charged moments and crisis events.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    Intuitive leaps are a good plot device, that's probably the biggest reason why so many characters seem N.
    Agreed.

    I think Luke Skywalker is usually typed INFP because of the good/evil struggle he's trapped in, which is identified as INFP-ish, and the typing is done without regards to the character himself. So, the character may be ISFP, but the situation is INFP.

    If... that makes any sense.
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    "Ready are you? What know you of ready? For eight hundred years have I trained Jedi. My own counsel will I keep on who is to be trained. A Jedi must have the deepest commitment, the most serious mind. This one a long time have I watched. All his life has he looked away... to the future, to the horizon. Never his mind on where he was. Hmm? What he was doing. Hmph. Adventure. Heh. Excitement. Heh. A Jedi craves not these things. You are reckless."

    ...Yoda seems to think Luke is an N.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RunnDMC View Post
    ...Yoda seems to think Luke is an N.
    Bingo.
    "There can be no understanding between the hands and the head unless the heart acts as mediator." (Metropolis, 1927)

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    Quote Originally Posted by RunnDMC View Post
    "Ready are you? What know you of ready? For eight hundred years have I trained Jedi. My own counsel will I keep on who is to be trained. A Jedi must have the deepest commitment, the most serious mind. This one a long time have I watched. All his life has he looked away... to the future, to the horizon. Never his mind on where he was. Hmm? What he was doing. Hmph. Adventure. Heh. Excitement. Heh. A Jedi craves not these things. You are reckless."

    ...Yoda seems to think Luke is an N.
    Don't ISFP crave excitement and adventure? Can't they be at times reckless?

    I thought the difference between N and S was the senses vs. abstract thing, not so much adventure, excitement or lack of caution. Different people have a different idea of excitement and adventure really mean.

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    Heart, I think the thing Runn was referring to as Yoda indicating that Luke was an N was this line here:

    Quote Originally Posted by RunnDMC View Post
    "Ready are you? What know you of ready? For eight hundred years have I trained Jedi. My own counsel will I keep on who is to be trained. A Jedi must have the deepest commitment, the most serious mind. This one a long time have I watched. All his life has he looked away... to the future, to the horizon. Never his mind on where he was. Hmm? What he was doing. Hmph. Adventure. Heh. Excitement. Heh. A Jedi craves not these things. You are reckless."
    Although I tend to agree that intuitive leaps are good plot devices, so characters who may otherwise be clearly Ss are suddenly looking like Ns.
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    Extraversion (52%) ---- Introversion (48%)
    Sensing (26%) ---- iNtuition (74%)
    Thinking (16%) ---- Feeling (84%)
    Judging (5%) ---- Perceiving (95%)

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