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    Quote Originally Posted by Aerithria View Post
    And I don't really want to debate Hitler's type (there are plenty of threads on that already), but I still think he's an ENFJ.
    i'm sitting here, agreeing and nodding so hard that my head might fall off

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    Angel is everything except an easygoing person.


    Trust me, if you want to understand Angel better typologically, consider 9w8. An overall 9 personality who goes to 6 under stress (as he is much of the time), with an 8 wing. And you can only deepen this insight by thinking of him on the Karaoke stage singing “Mandy.”

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    Does anyone remember Lindsey McDonald, the Wolfram & Hart lawyer from the Angel series? He was one of the best characters, both tragically flawed (ambitious, but not quite ruthless enough for Wolfram & Hart) and funny. That last fight scene with him and Angel in season 5, the dialogue was hilarious. Anyway, I think he was an ENTP (hope this pick doesn't piss off Speed too much).
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    Quote Originally Posted by evilrobot View Post
    Trust me, if you want to understand Angel better typologically, consider 9w8. An overall 9 personality who goes to 6 under stress (as he is much of the time), with an 8 wing. And you can only deepen this insight by thinking of him on the Karaoke stage singing “Mandy.”

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    Does anyone remember Lindsey McDonald, the Wolfram & Hart lawyer from the Angel series? He was one of the best characters, both tragically flawed (ambitious, but not quite ruthless enough for Wolfram & Hart) and funny. That last fight scene with him and Angel in season 5, the dialogue was hilarious. Anyway, I think he was an ENTP (hope this pick doesn't piss off Speed too much).

    Loved Lindsey and that fight (though it might have been the W&H chamber setting and swordiness that sealed it for me as much as the dialog). I agree that ENTP is a strong possibility for him (especially with his disregard for authority and refusal to align his interests strictly or conventionally), but it's been a while since I've seen the series.

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    Xander is such an ENTP: sarcastical joker, openly critical, values justice more than mercy, usually the guy who takes things the least earthy and the most cynically (after Spike) as opposed as Buffy or Willow for examples who are real FPs. I notably remember one episode, for example where Buffy tells alarmed to Xander "I'm telling you there's stranges things happening" and Xander just answer "there's stranges things happening? But it's just our high school motto". The dominant trait of his personality is his cool-headed attitude even in the most stressfull situations. He's hardly geeky and share that trait with the INTPs of the show like Oz or Andrew. Xander judge things firstly with logic and not by how he feel about this. He have not a strong Fi but on the other side, he has a strong Fe and is very concerned with the interest of the Scooby Gang, but he primarly use Ne and Ti to serve it. He show many times the ENTP's hability tho analyse unvisible connections between peoples and see the way they work or fail.


    Quote Originally Posted by Requeim View Post
    high social skills? you've got to be kidding me
    Is the master shy? Socialy anxious? Without charisma? No it's the contrary. But, yes, he's probably not good for flirt, ha ha. I'm sure he's chart-the-course and J, but I don't think he's IxTJ because I've found him "maternalistic" with the vampires.

    Trust me, if you want to understand Angel better typologically, consider 9w8. An overall 9 personality who goes to 6 under stress (as he is much of the time), with an 8 wing. And you can only deepen this insight by thinking of him on the Karaoke stage singing “Mandy.”
    Yeah ok I can see that. Liam was a typical unealthy 9w8, lazy jerk who does'nt know what to do with his life, getting in trouble and reacting agressively when pushed to get out his comfort zone. Angelus was a 9 integrated with 3 and Angel was a anxious 9 disintegrated in 6, who started to integrate in 3 from his first meeting with Buffy in 1996. By the way, I don't think characters change type when they become vampires (including Darla who have always been ESTP), and Angel have always been ENFJ. Liam had just the lust for sex, fighting and bear as stereotypical ESTP traits, but I think ENFJs can act like them when they feel dispressed, I hav'nt really seen Te in Angelus, and Angel looks like an introvert, but he was just a shamefull guy who prefered to keep reserved and just act to serve others. But he's defenitely of an in-charge nature, it's particulary obvious in the season 2 and next, when Wesley (chart-the-course INFJ) is supposed to be the boss but Angel can't prevent him to act like the boss, even he's shamefull of his past actions. He also shows very good social skills with Cordelia. I think Angel is a good example of ENFJ with an oppressing inferior Ti and dark Ni.

    Does anyone remember Lindsey McDonald, the Wolfram & Hart lawyer from the Angel series? He was one of the best characters, both tragically flawed (ambitious, but not quite ruthless enough for Wolfram & Hart) and funny. That last fight scene with him and Angel in season 5, the dialogue was hilarious. Anyway, I think he was an ENTP (hope this pick doesn't piss off Speed too much).
    Lol, I'm the steward of the thread now? I've create a thread about Angel here:http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...173-angel.html
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    ISTJ
    Anya
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    Nikki Wood
    Principal Wood
    Quentin Travers

    ESTJ
    Cordelia
    Principal Snyder
    Forrest
    Glory
    Hank Summers
    The First Evil

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    Riley
    Jonathan

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    Joyce
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    Spike
    Jenny Calendar
    Amy
    Sheila
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    The First Slayer

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    Percy
    Kennedy

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    Wesley Wyndam-Pryce
    The Master

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    Angel alias Liam, alias Angelus
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    ENFP
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    INTJ
    Gilles
    Gwendolyn Post

    ENTJ
    Adam
    Maggie Walsh

    INTP
    Oz
    Dracula
    Warren
    Andrew
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    Ethan Rayne
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
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    She's one of the most lovable character.
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    Principal Wood
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    ESTJ
    Cordelia 3w2 so/sp
    Glory 8w7 sx/so
    Luke 8w9 sp/sx
    Principal Snyder 6w5 sx/sp
    Forrest 8w7 so/sp
    Hank Summers 8w9 sp/so
    The First Evil 8w7 sp/sx

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    Riley 1w2 sx/sp
    Jonathan 6w7 so/sx

    ESFJ
    Joyce 2w3 so/sp
    Ben 2w1 so/sx
    Harmony 2w3 so/sx
    Principal Flutty 2w1 so/sp
    Halfrek 3w2 so/sp

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    Spike 9w8 sx/so
    Jenny Calendar 7w8 sx/sp
    Amy 5w4 sx/sp
    Sheila 8w7 sx/sp
    Barruca 8w7 sx/sp
    The First Slayer 5w6 sp/sx

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    Faith 6w7 sx/sp Sagittarius
    Darla 7w8 so/sp
    Kennedy 7w8 sp/sx
    Sweet 7w8 sx/so
    Percy 7w8 sp/so

    ISFP
    Dawn 4w3 sx/so

    ESFP
    Buffy 3w4 so/sx Capricorn ascendant Aquarius

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    Tara 6w7 so/sp
    Wesley Wyndam-Pryce 5w6 sp/so
    The Master

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    Angel alias Liam, alias Angelus 9w8 sx/sp
    Mayor Wilkins 2w3 sx/sp

    INFP
    Willow 6w7 sp/so

    ENFP
    Drusilla 4w5 sx/sp

    INTJ
    Gilles 5w6 sx/sp
    Gwendolyn Post

    ENTJ
    Adam 8w9 sx/sp
    Maggie Walsh 8w7 sp/sx

    INTP
    Oz 9w8 sp/sx
    Dracula 5w4 sx/sp
    Warren 5w6 so/sp
    Andrew 9w1 so/sx
    D'Hoffryn 5w6 sp/so

    ENTP
    Xander 7w6 so/sp
    Ethan Rayne 7w8 sp/sx
    Mr.Trick 7w8 sp/so
    Jesse 7w6 so/sx
    Caleb 6w5 sx/sp

    Damn, that's my 666th post!
    Last edited by Speed Gavroche; 03-31-2010 at 04:40 AM.
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    May I ask, while I think the ENFJ seems very accurate for Angelus, what lead to the conclusion that Angel and Angelus are exactly the same? Certainly, the personality overlaps a little bit as a matter of course, but... Angel seems far more an I to Angelus' E.

    EDIT: based on Liam's initial clear E, perhaps Angel oppresses his natural E as a matter of repenting, self-guilt or worry? Is that the thinking?
    Does he want a pillow for his head?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
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    Nikki Wood
    Principal Wood
    Quentin Travers 1w2 so/sp

    ESTJ
    Cordelia 3w2 so/sp
    Glory 8w7 sx/so
    Luke 8w9 sp/sx
    Principal Snyder 6w5 sx/sp
    Forrest 8w7 so/sp
    Hank Summers 8w9 sp/so
    The First Evil 8w7 sp/sx

    ISFJ
    Riley 1w2 sx/sp
    Jonathan 6w7 so/sx

    ESFJ
    Joyce 2w3 so/sp
    Ben 2w1 so/sx
    Harmony 2w3 so/sx
    Principal Flutty 2w1 so/sp
    Halfrek 3w2 so/sp

    ISTP
    Spike 9w8 sx/so
    Jenny Calendar 7w8 sx/sp
    Amy 5w4 sx/sp
    Sheila 8w7 sx/sp
    Barruca 8w7 sx/sp
    The First Slayer 5w6 sp/sx

    ESTP
    Faith 6w7 sx/sp Sagittarius
    Darla 7w8 so/sp
    Kennedy 7w8 sp/sx
    Sweet 7w8 sx/so
    Percy 7w8 sp/so

    ISFP
    Dawn 4w3 sx/so

    ESFP
    Buffy 3w4 so/sx Capricorn ascendant Aquarius

    INFJ
    Tara 6w7 so/sp
    Wesley Wyndam-Pryce 5w6 sp/so
    The Master

    ENFJ
    Angel alias Liam, alias Angelus 9w8 sx/sp
    Mayor Wilkins 2w3 sx/sp

    INFP
    Willow 6w7 sp/so

    ENFP
    Drusilla 4w5 sx/sp

    INTJ
    Gilles 5w6 sx/sp
    Gwendolyn Post

    ENTJ
    Adam 8w9 sx/sp
    Maggie Walsh 8w7 sp/sx

    INTP
    Oz 9w8 sp/sx
    Dracula 5w4 sx/sp
    Warren 5w6 so/sp
    Andrew 9w1 so/sx
    D'Hoffryn 5w6 sp/so

    ENTP
    Xander 7w6 so/sp
    Ethan Rayne 7w8 sp/sx
    Mr.Trick 7w8 sp/so
    Jesse 7w6 so/sx
    Caleb 6w5 sx/sp

    Damn, that's my 666th post!
    From your prediction, Dru is me . Since I'm enfp with 4 w 5. Isn't that scary :crazy:
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