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Would you agree though that this does NOT sound like Anakin Skywalker, despite how many people type him as an 8?

He has the authority issues of a 6. In the last movie his level of deterioration was around 7 or 8.
 

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He has the authority issues of a 6. In the last movie his level of deterioration was around 7 or 8.

I heard before that 5s in healthy states revert to 8 behavior and in unhealthy states revert to 7 behavior, although I seriously doubt anakin is a 5.
 

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6s have authority issues because they fear authorities. Anakin is not afraid by anybody. He's convinced he can be a master and deserve to be one, that he can kill Ob-Wan, Yoda, Mace Windu, Dooky and even Palpatine easily. 6s project their strength on people, Anakin clearly project his weakness on people and think he is a protector who deserve and must have he maximal power. Therefore he is truly a 8.
 

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I heard before that 5s in healthy states revert to 8 behavior and in unhealthy states revert to 7 behavior, although I seriously doubt anakin is a 5.

The types can move backward or forward along the arrows for any reason.
 

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6s have authority issues because they fear authorities. Anakin is not afraid by anybody.

http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/TypeSix.asp
"The reason Sixes are so loyal to others is that they do not want to be abandoned and left without support—their Basic Fear. Thus, the central issue for type Six is a failure of self-confidence. Sixes come to believe that they do not possess the internal resources to handle life’s challenges."

This perfectly describes Anakin's fear of not being able to save Padme from the fate prophesied in his nightmares. And then, in typical fashion, his belief that he cannot save Padme became a self-fulfilling prophecy.
 

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Mal, you're on my ignore list.
 

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http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/TypeSix.asp
"The reason Sixes are so loyal to others is that they do not want to be abandoned and left without support—their Basic Fear. Thus, the central issue for type Six is a failure of self-confidence. Sixes come to believe that they do not possess the internal resources to handle life’s challenges."

This perfectly describes Anakin's fear of not being able to save Padme from the fate prophesied in his nightmares. And then, in typical fashion, his belief that he cannot save Padme became a self-fulfilling prophecy.

6s are afraid that they can't protect their own life not the life of others. That's projecting your weakness on the others, the projection of Type 8.

And Anakin is actually overly confident in his power, judging that he only have to unleash himself from rules to release all his potential. Therefore he is a 8, not a 6.

That was your lesson of the day. Go for your howework.
 

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6s are afraid that they can't protect their own life not the life of others. That's projecting your weakness on the others, the projection of Type 8.

And Anakin is actually overly confident in his power, judging that he only have to unleash himself from rules to release all his potential. Therefore he is a 8, not a 6.

That was your lesson of the day. Go for your howework.

I don't have housework. "6s are afraid that they can't protect their own life not the life of others" makes no sense from the perspective of 6s, who want to protect their source of security in another person, a group, or an ideology. The dark side provided Anakin with that sense of security and the "internal resources to handle life’s challenges."
 

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I don't have housework. "6s are afraid that they can't protect their own life not the life of others" makes no sense from the perspective of 6s, who want to protect their source of security in another person, a group, or an ideology. The dark side provided Anakin with that sense of security and the "internal resources to handle life’s challenges."


You don't understand.


Anakin have never doubted of his ability to meet his own life's challenge. He always considered himself as a strong person protecting the weak, and always considered himaslef as stronger than the authority. Therefore he is a Protector -8-, not a Loyalist -6-. 8s are very concerned about their closed ones and want to protect them.If they fail to do it, they criticize themselves extremely. 8s, like Anakin, are afraid for peoples, and deny their own weakness. 6s are afraid by people, and deny their own strength. So you are wrong.
 

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You don't understand.


Anakin have never doubted of his ability to meet his own life's challenge. He always considered himself as a strong person protecting the weak, and always considered himaslef as stronger than the authority. Therefore he is a Protector -8-, not a Loyalist -6-. 8s are very concerned about their closed ones and want to protect them.If they fail to do it, they criticize themselves extremely. 8s, like Anakin, are afraid for peoples, and deny their own weakness. 6s are afraid by people, and deny their own strength. So you are wrong.

"Strong person protecting the weak" is a 6 trait on the healthy levels.

I'm not saying that Anakin considered himself weak. Heaven forbid! Indeed, he considered himself a match for any foe except death itself, because he is "afraid of being afraid." The problems started with Padme, and his inability to prevent her eventual fate which he foresaw. But even before that, Anakin was a rebel against authority.
 

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6s protecting the weak form an us-against-them alliance against a more powerful ennemy. He protect the weak, but consider himself as weak too. Anakin don't think that anybody is more powerful. And 6s applies to themselves the rules that they applies to others. Anakin, as a 8, don't feel any obligation to follow rules, not because he is rebellious against, since he is determined to serve in the Jedi order and for the Republic, but he simply consider himself above the rules, and that the others need rules and a strong protector like him.

So he is a 8, not a 6. And yes, go for your homework because you obviously don't know your stuff, but act like if you did, which is both stupid and arrogant.
 

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6s protecting the weak form an us-against-them alliance against a more powerful ennemy. He protect the weak, but consider himself as weak too. Anakin don't think that anybody is more powerful. And 6s applies to themselves the rules that they applies to others. Anakin, as a 8, don't feel any obligation to follow rules, not because he is rebellious against, since he is determined to serve in the Jedi order and for the Republic, but he simply consider himself above the rules, and that the others need rules and a strong protector like him.

So he is a 8, not a 6. And yes, go for your homework because you obviously don't know your stuff, but act like if you did, which is both stupid and arrogant.

That sounds like something Anakin would say.
 

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That sounds like any smart guy would say.
 

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Ever since I ressurected the Yoda thread it seems to have caused [MENTION=13589]Mal+[/MENTION] and [MENTION=5356]Speed Gavroche[/MENTION] to have formed a most interesting relationship with each other... can they agree on anything lol
 

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Ever since I ressurected the Yoda thread it seems to have caused [MENTION=13589]Mal+[/MENTION] and [MENTION=5356]Speed Gavroche[/MENTION] to have formed a most interesting relationship with each other... can they agree on anything lol

I have an authoritarian intellectual tone that 6s find quite disagreeable. It's like the relationship between type 6 Anakin and "smart guy" Obi-wan.
 

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That completely describes Darth Vader. Who is the type 8 Ankin disintegrated in 5.

How so?

He has the authority issues of a 6. In the last movie his level of deterioration was around 7 or 8.

At least someone agrees with me!

6s are afraid that they can't protect their own life not the life of others. That's projecting your weakness on the others, the projection of Type 8.
8s, like Anakin, are afraid for peoples, and deny their own weakness. 6s are afraid by people, and deny their own strength. So you are wrong.

No, that's bullshit. Remember, 6's (especially Sexual and Social 6s) are loyal to those close to them, so they ARE concerned for their well-being.

Anakin have never doubted of his ability to meet his own life's challenge. He always considered himself as a strong person protecting the weak, and always considered himaslef as stronger than the authority. Therefore he is a Protector -8-, not a Loyalist -6-. 8s are very concerned about their closed ones and want to protect them.If they fail to do it, they criticize themselves extremely.
And Anakin is actually overly confident in his power, judging that he only have to unleash himself from rules to release all his potential. Therefore he is a 8, not a 6.

No, not really. It wasn't until he was twisted by Sidious and the Dark Side that he actually started to be overly confident. Before, he wanted to prove to himself that he was, but he didn't feel that way on the inside. He just wanted to come across like he did.

Look at how he responded by not being able to save his mother. He was upset because he thought he had failed her. An 8 would not feel like he was so responsible for her death and would just get angry that he couldn't save her, not a sense of failure or dejection. He does blame Obi-Wan, but this is projection, the defense mechanism of the 6.

6s protecting the weak form an us-against-them alliance against a more powerful ennemy. He protect the weak, but consider himself as weak too. Anakin don't think that anybody is more powerful. And 6s applies to themselves the rules that they applies to others. Anakin, as a 8, don't feel any obligation to follow rules, not because he is rebellious against, since he is determined to serve in the Jedi order and for the Republic, but he simply consider himself above the rules, and that the others need rules and a strong protector like him.

So he is a 8, not a 6. And yes, go for your homework because you obviously don't know your stuff, but act like if you did, which is both stupid and arrogant.

Actually, below-average and unhealthy 6s, especially Sexual ones, have a very "us-against-them" mentality, because they feel threatened. And he truly felt like was more powerful than anyone, then he would not feel persuaded by Palpatine to go to the Dark Side, because he would feel like he could save her himself.

I have an authoritarian intellectual tone that 6s find quite disagreeable. It's like the relationship between type 6 Anakin and "smart guy" Obi-wan.

:yes:
 

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Watch the movie.

At least someone agrees with me!

So you are both wrong.


No, that's bullshit. Remember, 6's (especially Sexual and Social 6s) are loyal to those close to them, so they ARE concerned for their well-being.

6s are loyals because they expect to find protection and security in return. Anakin see himself as a protector and want more on more powe for this, but he don't see himself as vulnerable at all. 8, not 6.




No, not really. It wasn't until he was twisted by Sidious and the Dark Side that he actually started to be overly confident. Before, he wanted to prove to himself that he was, but he didn't feel that way on the inside. He just wanted to come across like he did.

That's idiot; Anakin have always been confident and arrogant.

Look at how he responded by not being able to save his mother. He was upset because he thought he had failed her. An 8 would not feel like he was so responsible for her death and would just get angry that he couldn't save her, not a sense of failure or dejection. He does blame Obi-Wan, but this is projection, the defense mechanism of the 6.

6s are loyals because they expect to find protection and security in return. Anakin see himself as a protector and want more on more power for this, but he don't see himself as vulnerable at all. 8, not 6.



Actually, below-average and unhealthy 6s, especially Sexual ones, have a very "us-against-them" mentality, because they feel threatened. And he truly felt like was more powerful than anyone, then he would not feel persuaded by Palpatine to go to the Dark Side, because he would feel like he could save her himself.

Anakin didn't felt that anyone was more powerful than him. 8.



No.

Obi-Wan is a true 6, him.
 

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Watch the movie.

Anakin didn't felt that anyone was more powerful than him. 8.

(Watches movie...)

Nope, Anakin looks like a 6 deteriorating to 3. He is over-compensating for a disintegrating lack of self-confidence and eventually resorting to psychopathic behavior.
 

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Anakin doesn't lack of self-confidence. He is overly confident and project his weakness on people. Watch the show/learn more etc..
 
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