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    Posted on the first page of the thread. The circle is over, dude, you're wrong!

    Quote Originally Posted by wookieepedia
    Despite his exceptional skills in lightsaber combat and his mastery of the dark side, Palpatine was no less susceptible to fear, one of the primary emotions of the dark side, than any other Sith. Contrary to Darth Bane's strict belief that the Apprentice must prove his worthiness by striking down the Master in open combat, Palpatine chose to murder his Master, Darth Plagueis in his sleep, rather than confront him directly. In an effort to gain Anakin Skywalker's sympathy, Palpatine appeared to cower before Windu, which may have been out of both practicality and desperation due to such a calculated risk. Nevertheless, he only attacked Mace Windu after the Jedi Master had been disarmed and rendered helpless by Skywalker.

    After his ascension as Emperor, Palpatine displayed visible fear after being attacked by a powerful Force push from Yoda. He attempted to flee rather than fight, and only confronted Yoda when he appeared to have no other choice in the matter. During the battle over Coruscant, General Grievous considered Palpatine a coward when deducing that the Chancellor was hiding under the consoles while Grievous's battle droids fought Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi on the Invisible Hand. However Grievous did not know that Palpatine was actually Darth Sidious.

    Since Palpatine was in no position to reveal his Sith identity until the right time, he was forced to refrain from using his Force powers to protect himself while in an extremely dangerous situation that presented considerable risk to his life. Before his death, Mace Windu sensed Palpatine's fear and believed that it was the cause of the Sith Lord's defeat.[19] Many years later, Luke Skywalker also detected the same traces of fear that resided with Palpatine, as it did inside all who adhered to the Dark side of the Force. Fear ultimately proved to be Palpatine's achilles' heel as it caused him to constantly plot and devise schemes against his enemies, which ultimately lead to the unexpected creation of the Rebel Alliance and the eventual downfall of his empire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    Posted on the first page of the thread. The circle is over, dude, you're wrong!

    Epic fail.
    From the same quote:

    "General Grievous considered Palpatine a coward when deducing that the Chancellor was hiding under the consoles while Grievous's battle droids fought Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi on the Invisible Hand. However Grievous did not know that Palpatine was actually Darth Sidious.

    Since Palpatine was in no position to reveal his Sith identity until the right time, he was forced to refrain from using his Force powers to protect himself while in an extremely dangerous situation that presented considerable risk to his life."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    From the same quote:

    "General Grievous considered Palpatine a coward when deducing that the Chancellor was hiding under the consoles while Grievous's battle droids fought Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi on the Invisible Hand. However Grievous did not know that Palpatine was actually Darth Sidious.

    Since Palpatine was in no position to reveal his Sith identity until the right time, he was forced to refrain from using his Force powers to protect himself while in an extremely dangerous situation that presented considerable risk to his life."

    Oh the agony! - for you.
    Fear ultimately proved to be Palpatine's achilles' heel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    6.
    "Achilles' heel" is not being used as an enneagram term. And even if that's the case, he doesn't have the erratic nature of a 6.
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    We ever had that discussion. And you were wrong. You still wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    We ever had that discussion. And you were wrong. You still wrong.
    Anakin may be stronger than others (he thinks), but he is too dependent on them emotionally to be an 8. Palpatine has no such issues, he simply and methodically plots toward his goals, in true detiorated 8 fashion. Not only that, Palpatine is truly the stronger, Anakin's braggadocio notwithstanding.
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    "Palpatine chose to murder his Master, Darth Plagueis in his sleep, rather than confront him directly."

    Naturally, because Palpatine is a Sith Lord not a Jedi Knight. And the murder was part of his overall scheme. Anakin by contrast has no real plan, he acts strictly in the moment while being compelled by some vague ideas about ruling the galaxy.

    "In an effort to gain Anakin Skywalker's sympathy, Palpatine appeared to cower before Windu,"

    The key word here is "appeared."
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    Sexual 8 - Seeking Intimacy/Intensity
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    Want stability, loyalty and predictability in close relationships. May feel easily betrayed, and are prone to suspicion. Can love deeply, have a genuine close-up interest in and concern for spouse. Since life is dangerous they want to choose close allies carefully. Attached to the idea of being able to trust completely. Lots of testing of their partner's motives. If they pass the tests then the Eight relaxes. When entranced, this can lead to possessive obsession, and a need to dominate and control partner. Intimate Eights can get codependent, jealous, hooked into the other. Sometimes can't let go; their partner's every move is (over)reacted to. When very unhealthy, spousal abuse scenarios are possible. Stalking, vengeful vows to follow other to the ends of the earth, etc. Connected to the low side of 2.
    As I ever said, 8s are very concerned about people, especially the Sexual 8, but they are not afraid by anybody in a fight. Palpatine is afraid, and his security is based on adherence to a structure, not on intimates relationships since he is a Sx-last.

    Before his death, Mace Windu sensed Palpatine's fear
    His fear was real, not jsut a simulation.

    And he took the decision to kill his master because he was afraid. He didn't wait to be stronger than him to defeat him in a regular fight, as it is prescribed by Darth Bane's rule. Proof of his cowardice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    As I ever said, 8s are very concerned about people, especially the Sexual 8, but they are not afraid by anybody in a fight. Palpatine is afraid, and his security is based on adherence to a structure, not on intimates relationships since he is a Sx-last.
    Palpatine can't achieve his goals when he is dead. And his goals involve power for its own sake, not for security. Anakin wants security.
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    No, Anakin don't want security. He is not afraid for himself. But Palpatine is. Ankin is a 8, Palpatine is a 6.
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