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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    What's ESTP about Stark?
    IDK I only saw the first one. The reason I thought he was an S is because he is into action and sensorary indulgence and at no point showed any intuition. he just seemed like the typical son of an executive trained in political savvy and bureaucratic vocabulary (which many people mistake for intuition).

    But yes I hated the film and character so perhaps this explains why I didn't wish to identify his dominant functions with mine.

    Though one example of his intuition would be useful I guess.
    "Of course we spent our money in the good times. That's what you're supposed to do in good times! You can't save money in the good times. Then they wouldn't be good times, they'd be 'preparation for the bad times' times."

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcda View Post
    IDK I only saw the first one. The reason I thought he was an S is because he is into action and sensorary indulgence and at no point showed any intuition. he just seemed like the typical son of an executive trained in political savvy and bureaucratic vocabulary (which many people mistake for intuition).
    "Nice dress. Where'd you get it?"
    "You bought it for me."
    "Well, I have great taste."

    Not to mention he envisioned and then designed that goddamn suit. He's a clear ENTP inventor. Being trained in political savvy would actually point toward ESTJ (or ENTJ).

    But yes I hated the film and character so perhaps this explains why I didn't wish to identify his dominant functions with mine.
    You suck. Downey's portrayal of Stark was awesome.
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    ]"Nice dress. Where'd you get it?"
    "You bought it for me."
    "Well, I have great taste."
    that's classic Se wordplay. ESTP's tend to better at quickfire comebacks than ENTP's.

    Not to mention he envisioned and then designed that goddamn suit. He's a clear ENTP inventor. ).
    Again, I would expect an S to be better at designign a suit than an N.

    Being trained in political savvy would actually point toward ESTJ (or ENTJ
    It wouldn't point it any type, it jsut depends on upbringing.

    You suck. Downey's portrayal of Stark was awesome
    Hey I have no problem with Downey just the plot and script.
    "Of course we spent our money in the good times. That's what you're supposed to do in good times! You can't save money in the good times. Then they wouldn't be good times, they'd be 'preparation for the bad times' times."

    "Every country in the world owes money. Everyone. So heere's what I dont get: who do they all owe it to, and why don't we just kill the bastard and relax?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcda View Post
    that's classic Se wordplay. ESTP's tend to better at quickfire comebacks than ENTP's.



    Again, I would expect an S to be better at designign a suit than an N.
    Where the hell did you get that from? Wit and innovation are Ne-driven and two of the principal defining features of ENTP. From Typelogic.com:

    "Clever" is the word that perhaps describes ENTPs best. The professor who juggles half a dozen ideas for research papers and grant proposals in his mind while giving a highly entertaining lecture on an abstruse subject is a classic example of the type. So is the stand-up comedian whose lampoons are not only funny, but incisively accurate.

    ENTPs are usually verbally as well as cerebrally quick, and generally love to argue--both for its own sake, and to show off their often-impressive skills. They tend to have a perverse sense of humor as well, and enjoy playing devil's advocate. They sometimes confuse, even inadvertently hurt, those who don't understand or accept the concept of argument as a sport.

    ENTPs are as innovative and ingenious at problem-solving as they are at verbal gymnastics; on occasion, however, they manage to outsmart themselves. This can take the form of getting found out at "sharp practice"--ENTPs have been known to cut corners without regard to the rules if it's expedient -- or simply in the collapse of an over-ambitious juggling act. Both at work and at home, ENTPs are very fond of "toys"--physical or intellectual, the more sophisticated the better. They tend to tire of these quickly, however, and move on to new ones.
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    ESTPs have an uncanny ability to perceive people's attitudes and motivations. They pick up on little cues which go completely unnoticed by most other types, such as facial expressions and stance. They're typically a couple of steps ahead of the person they're interacting with. ESTPs use this ability to get what they want out of a situation. Rules and laws are seen as guidelines for behavior, rather than mandates. If the ESTP has decided that something needs to be done, then their "do it and get on with it" attitude takes precendence over the rules. However, the ESTP tends to have their own strong belief in what's right and what's wrong, and will doggedly stick to their principles. The Rules of the Establishment may hold little value to the ESTP, but their own integrity mandates that they will not under any circumstances do something which they feel to be wrong.

    ESTPs have a strong flair for drama and style. They're fast-moving, fast-talking people who have an appreciation for the finer things in life. They may be gamblers or spendthrifts. They're usually very good at story telling and improvising. They typically makes things up as they go along, rather than following a plan. They love to have fun, and are fun people to be around.
    Regarding the inventions: just being inventive doesn't mean you have Ne, surely it depends on what the nature of your innovation is? Theoretical innovation sounds Ne, for sure, but practical innovation like designing a suit, sounds more Se.

    Regarding wit: Ne wit is more abstract and not immediately obviously relevant to the situation. Usually it is based on drawing some tenuous connection. Se is better at spotting the immediate (you could say "obvious") joke within any given situation quicker than others, the Ne spots the connections between concepts quicker than others.

    In other words, you should read the ESTP profiles. There is nothing to suggest that lack of Ne makes ESTP's less witty or clever; it is just a different kind of wit and intelligence to that of the ESTP.

    Read this profile and tell me why the Iron Man character doesn't match it:

    http://www.personalitypage.com/ESTP.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by tcda View Post
    Again, I would expect an S to be better at designign a suit than an N.
    Like a tuxedo? That kind of a suit? Or the kind of suit that flies through the air at warp speed and is extremely technologically advanced? Cuz I'm sure most of the guys at NASA are S's. Err, maybe not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTPness View Post
    Like a tuxedo? That kind of a suit? Or the kind of suit that flies through the air at warp speed and is extremely technologically advanced? .
    Both.

    Cuz I'm sure most of the guys at NASA are S's. Err, maybe not
    I wouldn't know. I do know I've known some extremely clever S engineers.
    "Of course we spent our money in the good times. That's what you're supposed to do in good times! You can't save money in the good times. Then they wouldn't be good times, they'd be 'preparation for the bad times' times."

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcda View Post
    I wouldn't know.
    The guys doing the high-tech designing (space shuttle and its components, suits, you name it) are not ESTP-heavy. The population is not S-heavy.

    Go into a college aerospace engineering program, pick a random class, pick out the 5 best students in that class. Maybe 1 of those 5 students will be S, and it probably would not be ESTP - it would probably be ISTJ. The majority of this crowd is NT.
    NTJ's are the only types that have ever made me feel emo.
    ENP's are the only types that have ever made me feel like a sensor.


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    Quote Originally Posted by INTPness View Post
    The guys doing the high-tech designing (space shuttle and its components, suits, you name it) are not ESTP-heavy. The population is not S-heavy.

    Go into a college aerospace engineering program, pick a random class, pick out the 5 best students in that class. Maybe 1 of those 5 students will be S, and it probably would not be ESTP - it would probably be ISTJ. The majority of this crowd is NT.
    And are most of them quick-witted womanizers who love jetting round the world shooting up foreigners?
    "Of course we spent our money in the good times. That's what you're supposed to do in good times! You can't save money in the good times. Then they wouldn't be good times, they'd be 'preparation for the bad times' times."

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    -Tommy Tiernan, Irish comedian.

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    Okay, but I still think Stark's nothing but a dick. He's cool and all, but he is a TOTAL douche bag. Hands down.
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