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What Type is Yoda?

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I don't appeal to Jungian functions in determining type. It is simpler to stick with the MBTI.

In my opinion, especially with fictional characters with dynamic personalities, Jung cognitive functions is a very shaky theory. Palpatine for example who it is agreed is INTJ clearly shows more Te than Ni with his New World Order scheme for ultimate power (Te), but I never hear him spout philosophical wisdom like Yoda (Ni), and as for Yoda, Ni and Ti clearly come for him before Fe. The only possible explanation for him being INFJ is if he is in an Ni-Ti loop, which I think is an even more unreliable theory than the functions theory.
 
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Darth Yoda is part of a Type III Civilization that has taken control of the energy output of an entire galaxy, and is the ultimate Sith Master operating the Star Forge at 200% capacity, spawning an invincible armada at will.
 

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In my opinion, especially with fictional characters with dynamic personalities, Jung cognitive functions is a very shaky theory. Palpatine for example who it is agreed is INTJ clearly shows more Te than Ni with his New World Order scheme for ultimate power (Te), but I never hear him spout philosophical wisdom like Yoda (Ni), and as for Yoda, Ni and Ti clearly come for him before Fe. The only possible explanation for him being INFJ is if he is in an Fi-Ti loop, which I think is an even more unreliable theory than the functions theory.

As Yoda likes to say, "Follow your feelings." That's not a very Ti statement, at any rate. It sounds more like "follow your intuitions."

The whole loop idea is about neurotic replacement of the positive secondary support of mental health with the negative tertiary support of neurotic issues. The problem is that nobody cares to talk about the positive signs of the tertiary. Lacking any such theory, nobody cares to discuss Yoda's advanced spiritual development, especially in the first series, or how his functions play into this.
 

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Darth Yoda is part of a Type III Civilization that has taken control of the energy output of an entire galaxy, and is the ultimate Sith Master operating the Star Forge at 200% capacity, spawning an invincible armada at will.

I looked into some YT videos on this but they were just silly kid stuff vaguely related to this. I guess he's from an alternate-history series of Star Wars books then?
 

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In my opinion, especially with fictional characters with dynamic personalities, Jung cognitive functions is a very shaky theory. Palpatine for example who it is agreed is INTJ clearly shows more Te than Ni with his New World Order scheme for ultimate power (Te), but I never hear him spout philosophical wisdom like Yoda (Ni), and as for Yoda, Ni and Ti clearly come for him before Fe. The only possible explanation for him being INFJ is if he is in an Ni-Ti loop, which I think is an even more unreliable theory than the functions theory.

The problem with that is it's a behavior, and functions are about thoughts. What we have to look for is indications of thought (like the philosophy in the Jedi code), how thoughts are structured, and how they are prioritized. I tend to see Yoda and Dumbledore as a bit similar in their communication - quirky but wise, and one-liners abound - but there are other INFJs who do not communicate in such a way. Even looking at this site, I would tend to see Evan as a more Ni-Ti oriented INFJ than Fidelia, who strikes me as more Fe. Esoteric Wench is well known to be a more Te ENFP, while I would say, for example, Lady X is more Ne-Fi. Just because we can identify relative strengths, nothing is taken away from the reliability of the theory.
 

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I looked into some YT videos on this but they were just silly kid stuff vaguely related to this. I guess he's from an alternate-history series of Star Wars books then?

Darth Yoda is not part of official Star Wars canon. I made it up for poops and giggles, but Darth Yoda is indeed a real creation, as evidenced by the earlier photo.
 

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Darth Yoda is not part of official Star Wars canon. I made it up for poops and giggles, but Darth Yoda is indeed a real creation, as evidenced by the earlier photo.

I know he's not canon, that's why I called it an alternate history. I find the idea intriguing. I guess there are no books then.
 

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There is no emotion, there is peace.

No emiotion means no F. Peace is for the IP.

There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.

So INTP.

There is no passion, there is serenity.

No passion means certainly no F. Serenity is IP.

There is no chaos, there is harmony.

Yoda is a 9w1.

There is no death, there is the Force.

There's nothing related to INFJ epecially in that.


Yoda is a rude teacher who harshly tell the truth. He has low social skills. And if he is patient with you, when it's time to test you he will not take you by the hand, he will throw you in the water and you'll either sink or swim. He's clearly not a T, we just have to compare him with Luke or Padmé to see that. A crucial argument that the supporter of the INFJ theory avoid to face. He's even less emotional than Obi-Wan, who is a T.

And yes, INTP are passive and detached anlysers. That's what Yoda is. But INFJs are not. They are chart-the-course, not behind-the-scene, they set projects, are organised and work hard toward them. Padmé, Shmi Skywalker, Dooku and Bail Organa are true INFJs. The difference with Yoda is very clear.

And the whole "philosophy" thing doesn't prove anything. INTPs are philosophers too. But Yoda is not driven by emotional attachements and value judgments like INFJs are.
 

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It really is pretty obvious, like I said earlier: Ti's argue with logic, Ni's argue with ideas.

It's probablty the most stupid thing I read on the thread. Above all INFJs tend strongly to argue with feelings, something that Yoda never do. An idea can be logic, logic can be express in an idea. The dichotomy you etablished is based on nothing.
 

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What makes you think Yoda is deeply intuitive? He just wields the force like few others, much like Hendrix plays the guitar.

That's because Yoda is a 9, just like Jimi H.
 

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And the whole "philosophy" thing doesn't prove anything. INTPs are philosophers too. But Yoda is not driven by emotional attachements and value judgments like INFJs are.

Now that you bring it up, Yoda is clearly driven by value judgments. INFJ is more wise than intellectual. It possesses a kind of divine moral wisdom, a Truth that surpasses INTP truth.
 

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Now that you bring it up, Yoda is clearly driven by value judgments.

No.

Yoda is a rude teacher who harshly tell the truth. He has low social skills. And if he is patient with you, when it's time to test you he will not take you by the hand, he will throw you in the water and you'll either sink or swim. He's clearly not a T, we just have to compare him with Luke or Padmé to see that. A crucial argument that the supporter of the INFJ theory avoid to face. He's even less emotional than Obi-Wan, who is a T.

How is he a F?
 

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INFJ - The Insightful Counselor - The Patient Mentor - The Wise Sage
Real
Ghandi
Eleanor Roosevelt
Nathan (prophet of Israel)
Nelson Mandela
Sigmund Freud
Osama bin Laden
Goeth
Anne Sullivan
Shirley Temple
Nathaniel Hawthorne
Christopher Paolini
J.K. Rowling
Fictional
Eragon
Lisa Simpson
Jim Casy (The Grapes of Wrath)
Aslan (Narnia)
Jay Gatsby
Albus Dumbledore
Charles Xavier
Mulan
YodaMewtwo
Ness (Earthbound)

That's what this website thinks:
http://mbtitruths.blogspot.com/2010.../complete-list-of-example-of-personality.html
 

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This thread is turning into a debate about the differences between INFJ and INTP! Does someone care to elaborate?
 

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INFP - The Lovable Romantic - The Fantasy Author - The Sensitive Idealist
Real
Mary (mother of Jesus)
A.A. Milne
John Bunyan
Mr. Rogers
Homer
Brain Jacques
J.R.R. Tolkien
Princess Diana
Audrey Hepburn
Bill Watterson
Fictional
Calvin (Calvin and Hobbes)
Max (Where the Wild Things Are)
Anne Shirley
Luke Skywalker
Butters (South Park)
Milhouse (The Simpsons)
Christopher Robin
Snow White
Charlie Brown
Frodo Baggins
E.T.
Brain Griffin

"Brain and brain, what is brain?" (Spock's Brain, ST:TOS)
 

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INFJ - The Insightful Counselor - The Patient Mentor - The Wise Sage
Real
Ghandi
Eleanor Roosevelt
Nathan (prophet of Israel)
Nelson Mandela
Sigmund Freud
Osama bin Laden
Goeth
Anne Sullivan
Shirley Temple
Nathaniel Hawthorne
Christopher Paolini
J.K. Rowling
Fictional
Eragon
Lisa Simpson
Jim Casy (The Grapes of Wrath)
Aslan (Narnia)
Jay Gatsby
Albus Dumbledore
Charles Xavier
Mulan
YodaMewtwo
Ness (Earthbound)

That's what this website thinks:
http://mbtitruths.blogspot.com/2010.../complete-list-of-example-of-personality.html

Mandela: ENFJ
Freud: ENTJ
JK Rowling: INFP
Lisa: ENFJ
Charles Xavier: ENFJ

The rest is real though.

Real INFJs
1w9 sp/sx George Harrison http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecb1Fc49IDA
1w9 so/sp Noam Chomsky http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/361
1w9 so/sx Osama Bin Laden http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R-4GH0PXDc
1w9 sx/so Imam Khomeini http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AgW_9bijzE
1w2 sp/so Ron Paul http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCiTykzX3ek
1w2 sx/so Gandhi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q3xIfoar8g
4w3 so/sx Cate Blanchett http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJvYyAxpmm4
4w5 so/sp Marylin Manson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3ue6JLPQLA
4w5 so/sp Iris Murdoch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-9fsZW_OZI
5w4 so/sx Simone de Beauvoir http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHVTKy1cmuc
5w4 sx/sp Tilda Swinton http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-OWANK5lrQ
5w6 sx/so Leon Trotsky http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3nD5bFm3Jg
6w5 so/sx Edward Norton http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/1870
6w5 sx/sp Michelle Pfeiffer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvt_yLUV95U
6w5 sx/so Adolf Hitler http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbF0JQgi7_U
9w1 sx/sp Carl Jung http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOxlZm2AU4o


INTPs, on the other side count Albert Eistein. An INTP and a "humanist". People seem to believe Yoda is INFJ because he is a "humanist" but INTP can be that too, so doesn't prove anything.
 

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INTPs, on the other side count Albert Eistein. An INTP and a "humanist". People seem to believe Yoda is INFJ because he is a "humanist" but INTP can be that too, so doesn't prove anything.

Who said Yoda was a humanist? I've said he is a mystic and a wise sage. INFJ has been called The Insightful Counselor - The Patient Mentor - The Wise Sage. But nobody has called him a humanist.
 

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Well the above website [MENTION=13589]Mal+[/MENTION] posted makes me think Yoda might be INTP because INFJ Ni it says gets interrupted more easily whereas it says INTP Ti has an incredible power and depth of concentration that does not get interrupted, which I for one do not see Yoda as someone who loses his train of thought. It also says that an INFJ Fe makes them excited about other people, whereas an INTP Ti moves in a cause and effect chain of events, like for example when Yoda talks about fear leading to anger, hate, and suffering.

I for one say Yoda is INTP, but INFJ is not out of the question due to Ni and psychic force connections.
 
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