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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    That's still being debated:
    http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-...-sociopath.htm

    One problem is that the terms overlap so much in definition and in practice. No one can agree on the distinction.

    EDIT: I have to say, the whole Bundy thing now is driving me to buy Rule's most recent edition of his bio and read it!
    Yeah, the terms are fuzzy. I recall reading a couple years ago that the FBI and other criminal investigation outfits officially define sociopaths as very careful, controlled, planned-out and usually of above average intelligence (so, people like Bundy) and psychopaths as having less than average intelligence, more prone to killing fairly spontaneously or in a sloppy way and not covering their tracks. That's not really a proper psychological assessment, however.

    The other definition I've heard is that, while both lack any real conscious, psychopaths are much more compelled to commit violent acts. That's probably not too legit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    Disagree emphatically. Unless this is some semantics fap.
    Um noooooooo, it is psychological fact, not fap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Um noooooooo, it is psychological fact, not fap.
    Your statement is a fallacy in and of itself.

    There really can be no psychological fact. Heck, you can tell that just by how often the DSM radically changes.



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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    Your statement is a fallacy in and of itself.

    There really can be no psychological fact. Heck, you can tell that just by how often the DSM radically changes.
    This matter seems to be of grave importance to you, so...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuttou View Post
    You may be right here. It seemed to me psychopath could arise even from healthy environment, but I'm willing to concede the point.
    (PS: Wikipedia says it was age three: "For the first three years of his life Bundy lived in the Philadelphia home of his maternal grandparents". Lets go for three and a half! )


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    Wikipedia isn't god. His mother moved away with him when he was four, marrying his step-dad when he was about 4 or 5. Anyway, he already had a fascination with knives at age three, and I'll read your post; however, the reason I believe him to be an ENFJ is because I think he had tertiary Se that he was in touch with at a young age, and it wasn't just something that came out in rage that was generally repressed like INxJs tend to be for the most part, Ted's Se seemed pretty active to me even before he snapped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuttou View Post
    I'd say Bundy was INFJ, not ENFJ or ENTP.

    It's clear for me that he was no P. He was such a planner, extremely careful with the way he executed his crimes. It has nothing to do with the live-in-the-moment, impulsive ways of an ESTP. Also his response to that girl's rejection ("Stay calm, be patient, and plan revenge") sounds quite J to me - in fact it's the stereotype of the wounded INFJ angry with the world. Descriptions of him (quiet, private) put me more in mind of an introvert (though that isn't conclusive at all).

    The Ni-Fe-Se combination is the best to figure people out and manipulate them, as he was doing with those girls. Inferior Se can notice all the small details in a person's appearance and behaviour (this is a mostly inconcious process however) and the dominant Ni will take all of this and put it together so as to form an accurate global picture of the person. Fe permits to understand people's feelings, and really to manipulate these feelings.
    Ni-Fe-Se is also very useful to blend in in society or quickly adapt in a different social context, because it permits to 1) be aware of all the rules and expectations (Fe-Se), 2) form a picture in your head (Ni) and 3) project a fully formed image of yourself to the world (Ni-Fe). Ted Bundy was described by everyone as an extremely charming guy, a former good and intelligent student with a future in politics, whom nobody ever suspected capable of such horrible crimes (lots of people couldn't even believe it at first). This show how good he was at controlling how people viewed him.

    I don't think he was ENFJ, because Ti doesn't sound at all like his inferior function. The easy way he used it to argue his point (or perhaps see the flaws in a plan, or think quickly of an escape, I don't know) would make me put it as his tertiary function, in a supportive role (for example I think he used Ti a lot in that last video we have of him, where he explained how pornography was what pushed him to do what he did). It makes more sense for Se to be his shadow, I think. INFJ, when unstable, have a tendency to fall back to their inferior Se, having ESTP moments. But as their Se is undeveloped (their weak point), it often takes the form of a more or less unhealthy ESTP, sensation seeking in a rather uncontrolled manner. It fits with the nature of Ted's crimes, all about lust. That monster inside him would be his shadow.

    It's weird to me that you focus on Ni-Fe-Se so much (like an ENFJ) but then at the end say Ti probably wasn't his inferior. His early fixation with not only pornography, but being brazen enough to be a peeping tom, and getting arrested twice for burglary in high school makes me think Se was his relief function. I also think he was able to form such a slick facade - even in high school when he said he didn't connect well to other children - and then later when he put on a show that people bought, that he was probably an Fe dom.

    I won't argue to the death over Ted Bundy but I do believe he was a socially maladjusted ENFJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuttou View Post
    The identity of his real father is unsure, but I've never read anywhere that it might have been his grandfather.
    Why is everybody so stuck on Wikipedia?

    It was Ted Bundy who claimed that his father might have been his grandfather. Also, "researchers have alluded to the possibility that his father may be Samuel Cowell, his grandfather."
    http://famousserialkillers.co/ted-bundy/

    This may have appeared in the Wiki article at one time, but those articles are heavily edited and the content is sometimes controversial. That's why it's good to search other sites on the web.
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    @2:16 in this video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sIyTfXv2Hk

    JD - "First of all, you were raised in what you considered to have been a healthy home"
    TB - "Absolutely."
    JD - "You were not physically abused, you were not sexually abused, you were not emotionally abused."
    TB - "No."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Why is everybody so stuck on Wikipedia?

    It was Ted Bundy who claimed that his father might have been his grandfather. Also, "researchers have alluded to the possibility that his father may be Samuel Cowell, his grandfather."
    http://famousserialkillers.co/ted-bundy/

    This may have appeared in the Wiki article at one time, but those articles are heavily edited and the content is sometimes controversial. That's why it's good to search other sites on the web.
    Anything I've said about Bundy was taken from elsewhere than Wikipedia, thanks. Wiki's helpful, but can't be used as a single basis.... just like everything else.

    The problem is that Ted gives conflicting stories. he was never honest, he just made crap up based on his feelings of the moment and whatever he thought would get people to do what he wanted. The night before his execution, he decided he would credit pornography with making him a killer in the Dobson documentary, which Dobson of course ate up (since it gave him fodder for his Focus on the Family material). I'm not sure he even knew what was true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Anything I've said about Bundy was taken from elsewhere than Wikipedia, thanks. Wiki's helpful, but can't be used as a single basis.... just like everything else.

    The problem is that Ted gives conflicting stories. he was never honest, he just made crap up based on his feelings of the moment. The night before his execution, he decided he would credit pornography with making him a killer in the Dobson documentary, which Dobson of course ate up (since it gave him fodder for his Focus on the Family material). I'm not sure he even knew what was true.
    I've just posted a link to that very interview. In it, Bundy says that he is not a victim of pornography and denies that it made him do anything.
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