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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    The only question about the 7 or 9 e-type dilemma would be: can a 7 go around acting like a 9? And do it all the time, without fail, the way Garfield does?

    Here are the two options you've given for instinctual type 7 Sx:

    "Sexual/Self-pres

    The energy of the sexual instinct is, in some ways, at odds with the type Seven fixation. The Seven’s focus is future oriented and outward, away from the inner world, while the sexual variant is instinctual and dwells on the inner self as far as relationships and identity are concerned. This combination can make for a Seven that can be Four-like in many ways. They can have a flamboyant style and be very moody and intense. In relationships, there is often a push-pull quality. They are very attracted to the falling in love part. The buzz and high of that is very stimulating to them, almost drug-like for them. Their problems come when that buzz wears off. They want to recreate it again and again, but they also have a way of becoming attached and sometimes very dependent on their romantic partners. On the down side, they can be very clingy but don’t want at the same time to lose their freedom. When unhealthy, they can be very selfish in these relationships, things become one-sided in a way that favors the interests of the Seven.

    The sexual/self-pres Seven’s addictive behavior with relationships can extend to other areas, like music, and performing in general. The rock star image and lifestyle can be attractive to the sexual Seven. Many rock stars are sexual Sevens the buzz they experience from music can be similar to what they experience in relationships. Creativity can also function as a release of frustration from the boredom.

    Sexual/Social

    This subtype has a lot of energy, crazy, intense energy and this energy is going to find a way to manifest. This subtype of Seven can have the biggest extremes in behavior and with material success in life. With the self-pres instinct last in the stacking they aren’t afraid of taking risks, so they sometimes become very successful, as in the case of rock stars, but they typically also take too many risks, look for too many easy ways out. With the self-pres least developed, they can become dependent on others to add a much needed stabilizing element to their busy hedonistic lives. They have many of the same issues and share many of the same problems as the other sexual first subtype with regards to relationship addiction and have even more dependency issues then the sexual/self-pres. They can lose focus and drift similar to the social/sexual subtype and their high energy can likewise be draining for others.

    With this subtype, you have drama mixed with mental energy. What separates them from Fours who they might resemble superficially is their planning and future orientation. Their drama and intensity is focused on what they are going to do, not on what has happened. They are usually blind to their past, moving forward and not looking back."

    Does that make sense for Garfield? No.

    Now if you back up and take a look at my type call above, you can see why the e-type and Instinctual I chose fits Garfield like a glove.
    Um, why did you only select sx 7? I mean if Garfield is 7, I would have thought that he be sp first, although the description that you posted of 9 so works as well. Although to be honest, I haven't read Garfield comics in a really long time, so I actually can't be 100% of my specific typings in this case.

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    I agree about John. He really seems like a 2 more than a 7.
    Agreed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    are you saying Ne doms can't be lazy, hedonistic and selfish? if not, I would be SFP all the way
    Of course not (I'm a perfect example of a lazy, hedonistic, and selfish Ne dom ), I didn't think he was Ne dom because from what I remember, Garfield never seemed to be an 'idea' machine or possibility oriented person, rather he was more 'in the moment' kind of guy. I should mention again that I don't remeber the comic all too well, so I may actually be mistaken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    If Jon is a J, then he's a very neurotic one.
    Aren't lots of Js neurotic? Plus, you can tell he's got that tert-Ne thing going on...
    Tentative typing: ISFJ 6w5 or 9w1 (Sp/S[?]).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridian View Post
    Aren't lots of Js neurotic? Plus, you can tell he's got that tert-Ne thing going on...
    Jon is represented as a neurotic eccentric type who came from a family of oddballs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Idealist View Post
    Um, why did you only select sx 7?
    Because that was the only other main choice I was responding to, Sx and 7. If you think Sp, then bring it to the forum. Otherwise I'll be all day and night researching random selections on oceansmoonshine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    why do you think he's So/Sx and not Sp/Sx? he doesn't think about anyone but himself. So doms want to belong and look after the needs of the group.
    First because it's false to think that So/Sx are altruistisc and Sp/Sx are selfish by definition. Batman is Sp/Sx and he devotes his life to peoples, while the Joker is So/Sx and is selfish. Social has not anything to do with altruism, this is why you confuse Ayn Rand as an Sp/So.

    Also, the Social instincint is about how you relate with your similars, something that Garfield spend a big part of his time doing since a strong part of his thinking is of ironic and hilarious observations people areound him, with a clear distinction between thoses he considers as his relatives (cats) and the others (mouses, for example) and complaining about them. He's also more enthusiastic when he's speaking directly to the readers, with at times strong call to the larger social sphere, like "WORLD, HEAR ME!" or something.

    He's self-pres last, the realm of the home does'nt inspire passion. But as soon as he is put in a larger social sphere he become more active. A good example is when Jon sent him to a beauty competition for cat, at first he's annoyed, but then he quickly become more active, very competitive and attention seeking. Self-pres people have their raw bestial nature deep-rooted in a lust for survival. Self-pres cats, typycally, and if, for example Gambit was a cat, are very good chaser of mouses, they apreciate the confort of the home, but also care very much about self-sufficency and independance.

    Garfield is not a chaser, don"t see the intersest of this, and is able to do something completely stupid against his own life because he does'nt realise it is dangerous and his attention is not oriented toward danger against his self-preservation: he is able to grab the legs of a bird, then be taken away by him and only launch it only when he is in the sky, and he don't care. Then he is far of his home and his first reaction is to identify with his groups and the supposed characteristics of his peers "don't worry, you are cat, cats are ressourceful, cats are independants, cats always fint the rod to go back to home" and then he's scared "I want my teddy bear! " His strategy for survival is not self-preservation and lust for self-sufficiency, like Sp people do, but belonging with the group and expect it support his needs, and at the same time don't really like the group, but be unable to work on its own, and then act as a parasit and a chaotic antisocial.

    So, Garfiel is a disintegrated So/Sx: dependant of his confort but can't work for this by himself, belong with a larger sphere, don't really like it but can't seoarate and then adopt anti-social behaviors.

    I can guarantee you that if Garfield were a human, he would'nt be like this at all



    but clearly more like this



    The movie version shows it better. Animatd Garfiel is very like other So/Sx 7s like the Joker or Bugs Bunny: agitated, chaotic, easing and flacky. But his personality between the animated version and the comic version.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    I am NTP and I don't spend my days thinking about vain ideas.
    Maybe not you, but many NTPs do it. And it's definelty more an NTP trait than an STP trait.

    And neither does Garfield.I don't see anything particularly Intuitive about Garfield.

    He does. His thinking is essentially made or ironic observations about the world around him, wich are sometimes really insightful and originals ideas, but usually out of context and without practical purpose. He is an Ne-dom. He's not practical and action oriented and then is not an xSTP.

    And he's very laid back for an extravert.
    From when an extrovert can't be laid back? He is a TP, with the current "whatever" mode associated, he's Ne dom and then is not especially action oriented, and he's a NT, and so he's rather phlegmatic. Then he is laid back, original, and vain: NTP.

    Jon is not a 2. 2s are thoses who modulate their images to serve the other peoples needs. He's not a 6w7 either, 6s see relationships as something wich require vigilance and endurance, Jon is not like this either. He's a traditional example of narcissist, he see a girl and think she will love him. Then he see that she does'nt, he ask "I don't see what you dislike in me" and she says "because you are bland, insipid and totally uninteresting", and he answers "ok, but other than that, why?". He refuses to see him as a pathetic looser even when people bring back to him the objective truth, wich is a tipycal 7's trait.

    He's a Sp/So 7w6, stuck but happy in his routine and his confort zone, but at the opposite of Garfield, he idealizes his self-buit safety, wich is a characteristic of Self-pres 7s. He is an SJ because he is dependable and super predictable. He's also Sx-last: the guy who believes you can get a date calling a random phone number in the directory... and has clearly too much pathetic skills to do that,... and never try to develop them and has an inexistent private life...

    He's very similar with Peter Griffin from Family guy I think... Same type of character and then has the same type (7w6 Sp/So), Conan O'Brien (7w6 So/Sp) also is very similar...
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    @Speed Gavroche
    I've always seen Bugs Bunny as more Sp/Sx. he's cunning and somehow manages to survive despite everyone constantly trying to catch or kill him. you could be right though
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    @Speed Gavroche
    I've always seen Bugs Bunny as more Sp/Sx. he's cunning and somehow manages to survive despite everyone constantly trying to catch or kill him. you could be right though
    He escapes his ennemies, yes, but because he's a joyful trickster (7) not because he is specialised in building safety (Sp).


    I think it's quite simple

    83.sp/sx: Comes out as somewhat heavy and gloomy, or cool and detached. Often gives out a suffocating and insular vibe, as if their internal world is wrapped around by an impermeable membrane. Strong sensory impressions designed to awake sexuality. Makes one want to linger on one or two lines forever.
    Not Bugs Bunny.

    soc/sx: The word "fantastical" comes to mind. Lots of virtuosity and trills, and often removed from the real world. One is whirled away by the dazzling fairies of their colorful imagination. Can be too rich in imagery for their own good. Sustained dramatic power due to their knowledge of interpersonal dynamics.
    Bugs Bunny.

    Simple.
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