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    I think we should be looking for Ne or Se specifically if we've already decided Fe… And another thought I just had is the fact that even if she is "successful" it doesn't make her healthy so the type confusion we're seeing may be the result of imbalance of functional development. Just an idea and the fact that she may have been manipulated into the motivational beliefs that she has because if I remember correctly she was abused sexually as a child… That'd make me want to defend things much more vehemently even if it weren't something that motivated the most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    To me, it's one of the most meaningless pursuits on this forum especially when it comes down to the sort of arguing tactics you're using here ("If you disagree with me, you're just being biased"). PLease.
    I find her arguing tactics to be nothing but reasonable inquiry. Also, based on the evidence provided in this thread (I have not seen 10 minutes of Oprah in my life), her conclusion makes the most sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Yeah, way to gaslight there.

    I've known my share of ESFJs and ENFJs in real life, and she doesn't scan as ESFJ to me whatsoever; I think Oprah done by an ESFJ would have been implemented much differently and been focused more on practicalities.

    But it seems pointless to argue type on an online forum, everyone has their own perceptions and no way to reconcile them... and honestly, why does it even matter what type she is? To me, it's one of the most meaningless pursuits on this forum especially when it comes down to the sort of arguing tactics you're using here ("If you disagree with me, you're just being biased"). PLease.
    I'm finding it difficult to refrain from ridiculing you for your improper use of the word "gaslight," especially since I know that you only said it because it came up in that other thread. For the sake of civility, then, I'll just go ahead and ask you: how is anything I said in the paragraph you quoted an example of the following?

    Those who engage in gaslighting create a reaction -- whether it's anger, frustration, sadness -- in the person they are dealing with. Then, when that person reacts, the gaslighter makes them feel uncomfortable and insecure by behaving as if their feelings aren't rational or normal.
    Gaslighting is a form of psychological abuse in which false information is presented with the intent of making a victim doubt his or her own memory and perception.
    If we boiled down what I said, it would simply be that I thought she was ESxJ (leaning ESFJ) because her standout characteristics are that she's (1) hard-working, (2) detail-oriented, (3) over-achieving, and (4) gifted at public speaking. And that it would be ridiculous to suggest (as I knew someone would eventually) that those four traits, which are so outstandingly ESJ, are also shared in equal measure by ENFJs.

    ENFJs may work hard (though I doubt they're a type people would call "detail-oriented," in any case) in their lives, but most likely they are going to be known for other qualities. Otherwise an ENFJ would be exactly the same as an ESFJ, because traits (1) through (3) are standout SJ qualities.

    Please let me know how any of what I said constitutes psychological abuse, and to whom I was aiming this abuse.

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    seems enfj to me. since when are being hard working and an overachiever only sj traits?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chana View Post
    seems enfj to me. since when are being hard working and an overachiever only sj traits?
    They are standout SJ traits. A lot of people work hard, but it's something you're going to notice and remember about an SJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    They are standout SJ traits. A lot of people work hard, but it's something you're going to notice and remember about an SJ.
    The distinction you should be looking for here is one of optimism/pessimism, or idealism/realism. Not "hard work" vs. ?, no matter how much I may notice it about someone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    The distinction you should be looking for here is one of optimism/pessimism, or idealism/realism. Not "hard work" vs. ?, no matter how much I may notice it about someone.
    Yes, because these are things we can determine from watching interviews.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    Yes, because these are things we can determine from watching interviews.
    "Watching interviews." You're true to type, I can say that much. Chana is right about SJ not being the only over-achieving type. And why can't you have an SJ who is a complete slouch? It's a good point, but only a negative point. It does not say what is, but only what isn't. Skeptics are never burdened with the task of determining what is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    "Watching interviews." You're true to type, I can say that much. Chana is right about SJ not being the only over-achieving type. And why can't you have an SJ who is a complete slouch? It's a good point, but only a negative point. It does not say what is, but only what isn't. Skeptics are never burdened with the task of determining what is.
    Wait, are you saying chana is an S? You're verging on incoherent right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    Wait, are you saying chana is an S? You're verging on incoherent right now.
    Sounds to me like I've acquired a fan!
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