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    INTP. He's not trapped in one set of Fi values, preferring to turn chaos into order back into chaos back into order.

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    Some people prefer to watch videos of people, so here's a good one of Herbert:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    INTP. He's not trapped in one set of Fi values, preferring to turn chaos into order back into chaos back into order.
    I don't quite get what you're saying, but that seems to be a rather indirect way of going about this. I posted the Wiki article first because I see a direct answer there.
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    I'm not sure if there's enough information available to type him, but he seems more likely to be an INTP. He prefers to leave questions open and unanswered, and as far as I remember that's one of the main traits of Perception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    I don't quite get what you're saying, but that seems to be a rather indirect way of going about this. I posted the Wiki article first because I see a direct answer there.
    The basis of my ass-essment are from his novels and how he twists and turns perspectives. Hold on, that might be Ni. And yet, he's non-conclusive, always leaving the door open for future possibilities.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Asterion View Post
    I'm not sure if there's enough information available to type him, but he seems more likely to be an INTP. He prefers to leave questions open and unanswered, and as far as I remember that's one of the main traits of Perception.

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    You're getting closer, I think. Consider the fact that Perception is also a function of PI, and INTP is not a PI type despite the fact that both letters are contained in the type.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    The basis of my ass-essment are from his novels and how he twists and turns perspectives. Hold on, that might be Ni. And yet, he's non-conclusive, always leaving the door open for future possibilities.
    Excellent.
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    I like the books. I don't know a thing about the man though. I think Paul Atreides could be INTJ or INFJ at least.

    And Herbert stands out among sci-fi writers for not... really being sci-fi. I wouldn't be surprised if George Lucas got a lot of ideas from him. Dune seems almost fantasy like, rather than sci-fi. Much like Star Wars. But to get to my point as far as type goes, he doesn't really entertain/speculate typical science fiction "possibilities" and scenarios like I imagine a Ne writer would. His worlds are a bit retro and mystical. Space Travel is based on psychic abilities, and Artificial Intelligence is banned. The one type of technology that he explores more is genetics.. but it's still mostly about natural breeding processes. There's one other race that's more into genetic manipulation, and he paints them in a bad light. There's very little addressed about the potential of "objects" and manipulating the world.. but much about the potential of one's mind and perceptions. Maybe it's nothing though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    I like the books. I don't know a thing about the man though. I think Paul Atreides could be INTJ or INFJ at least.

    And Herbert stands out among sci-fi writers for not... really being sci-fi. I wouldn't be surprised if George Lucas got a lot of ideas from him. Dune seems almost fantasy like, rather than sci-fi. Much like Star Wars. But to get to my point as far as type goes, he doesn't really entertain/speculate typical science fiction "possibilities" and scenarios like I imagine a Ne writer would. His worlds are a bit retro and mystical. Space Travel is based on psychic abilities, and Artificial Intelligence is banned. The one type of technology that he explores more is genetics.. but it's still mostly about natural breeding processes. There's one other race that's more into genetic manipulation, and he paints them in a bad light. There's very little addressed about the potential of "objects" and manipulating the world.. but much about the potential of one's mind and perceptions. Maybe it's nothing though.
    Jenaphor wrote: "And yet, he's non-conclusive, always leaving the door open for future possibilities." She is debating with the idea that Herbert may have been a "non-conclusive" INTP, yet she's really showing the Pi characteristic of the INTJ.

    The INTJ does not desire an intellectual framework as does the INTP, but works best staying within the shifting realm of Ni possibilities. Intuition is a form of perception, Pi (this is just the abstract form substituting for both the Ni and Si functions). The Ni does not construct and apply Ti intellectual formulas, but only finds various possibilities in their own heads. So they are - more accurately - called INTp in Socionics theory, the small p to reflect the dominant focus on a perceptual faculty (N or S).

    In the novel Dune, superficially there is the theme focusing around future possibilities - the ability to see into the future. But with Paul it's not the simple kind of psychic predictions, it's more like a chess game, not a psychic power as you indicated. It's a game in which the board is infinitely complex. (Paul always saw the course of history as a kind of play with players acting out roles, with himself as one of the participants.) No rational Ti thought-process could possibly encompass such an infinitely expanding scheme, so a special form of Ni intuition is required, enhanced of course by the drug "Melange." (And it requires a certain genetic manipulation - as Farad'n and Alia learned, taking the drug does nothing for your mental abilities if you're not the right person for it.) Thus, in the construction of the novels, the idea of a breeding program was required.

    But there is an element more important than this which you brought up: the lack of future technology, albeit with a dependence on certain kinds of technology. There are no cute Star Wars robots in the Dune world. There are, instead, remote-controlled poisonous hunter-seekers and the like. And futuristic space travel is required. Robots are a thing of the far past, the future is for the development and evolution of human capability. What purpose does this serve? "Herbert deliberately suppressed technology in his Dune universe so he could address the future of humanity, rather than the future of humanity's technology. Dune considers the way humans and their institutions might change over time." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_herbert And so Herbert took science fiction in a completely different, non-Ti, direction.
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