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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    - I don't know for sure what type 50 Cent is, but definitely not ISFJ
    He's not his musical persona.

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    Glenn Beck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    Feudalism is " I force you to obey me and then I'll protect you", and it's exactly what socialists do, especially toward the concept of welfare state. End of the story.
    You need to do a bit more reading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    Social Contract is a fiction, didn't you know that? Contracts can only be made by individuals and based on consentment, as libertarians say, but not collective or based on coercion as for socialism.
    Corporations aren't individuals, and they enter into contracts all the time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    You need to do a bit more reading.
    Yes, he does, I quite agree.

    Speed, you sound like a young man who's just discovered Ayn Rand. I understand it's very tempting to think you've just found the one right answer to the age-old problem of how to create a just society, but trust me, there's so much more.

    Try putting aside your preconceptions and reading some Chomsky. A few good books on the interrelationship of ecology and capitalism might also broaden your perspective. We have an economic system predicated on continual growth and a planet of limited physical resources. Might there be some essential disconnect between these two things?

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    I have to confess that the list of prominent libertarians that has emerged so far is not very appealing. This is a list I myself find more appealing, although they reveal my preferences, almost all of them free market type intellectuals:

    -- F.A. von Hayek
    -- Ludwig von Mises
    -- Robert Lucas (?)
    -- Thomas Sowell
    -- Murray Rothbard
    -- Milton Friedman
    -- Bryan Caplan
    -- Steve Horwitz
    -- Henry Hazlitt
    -- Peter Boettke
    -- Anthony de Jasay
    -- Frank Knight

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    You need to do a bit more reading.
    As expected: no arguments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostwheel View Post
    Corporations aren't individuals, and they enter into contracts all the time.
    Bullshit. Corporations are led by individuals and theses indiviudals, as well as thoses who colaborate with them, are individuals. You only have to respect contract that you have signed up personally, and social contract don't exist.

    Speed, you sound like a young man who's just discovered Ayn Rand.

    I discovered Ayn Rand several years ago, and I'm not objectivist.


    I understand it's very tempting to think you've just found the one right answer to the age-old problem of how to create a just society, but trust me, there's so much more.
    Look who's talking: a socialist who, as every socialist, dont understand anything about economy. Be educated and then we could discuss about something.

    Try putting aside your preconceptions and reading some Chomsky. A few good books on the interrelationship of ecology and capitalism might also broaden your perspective. We have an economic system predicated on continual growth and a planet of limited physical resources. Might there be some essential disconnect between these two things?
    No. The principle of economy is to manage with the reality or rarety. And socialism try to deny that reality, the motto of a socialist system is "the ressourced are unlimited, only thing we have to do is to share, enslave people and steal to the rich".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    Bullshit. Corporations are led by individuals and theses indiviudals, as well as thoses who colaborate with them, are individuals. You only have to respect contract that you have signed up personally, and social contract don't exist.
    Again, corporations are NOT individuals, and yet, corporations enter into contracts for which the agents of the contracting corporation (agents = individuals) are not personally liable.

    The social contract is a theoretical construct designed to explore and explain the appropriate relationship between individuals and their governments. Nobody insists that it is a physical thing. For that matter, "rights" and "freedom" don't really exist either. They're just theoretical constructs—ideas we use to talk about how we think people should or shouldn't be entitled to live. You're going to throw the baby out with the bathwater if you use that approach.

    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    No. The principle of economy is to manage with the reality or rarety. And socialism try to deny that reality, the motto of a socialist system is "the ressourced are unlimited, only thing we have to do is to share, enslave people and steal to the rich".
    If socialists believed resources were unlimited, they wouldn't believe in the necessity for joint ownership of natural resources, for example. Everybody could have their own oil well.

    Have you considered that the notion of "ownership," like that of the social contract, is merely a theoretical construct? Different cultures—like the Native Americans, for example—have had entirely different concepts of what it means to "own" something.

    The modern Lockean notion seems common sensical at a modest level, like how a man could own food from the garden he, himself planted. But the further from that you go, to huge inherited wealth and massive financial empires, the Lockean notion that someone owns all that by putting their work into it reads as more and more absurd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostwheel View Post
    Corporations aren't individuals, and they enter into contracts all the time.



    Yes, he does, I quite agree.

    Speed, you sound like a young man who's just discovered Ayn Rand. I understand it's very tempting to think you've just found the one right answer to the age-old problem of how to create a just society, but trust me, there's so much more.

    Try putting aside your preconceptions and reading some Chomsky. A few good books on the interrelationship of ecology and capitalism might also broaden your perspective. We have an economic system predicated on continual growth and a planet of limited physical resources. Might there be some essential disconnect between these two things?
    I dont think Chomsky is that good an author, not even as a counter point to Rand. Eric Fromm or GDH Cole maybe but they are unabashed socialists so unlikely to make any reading short list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    V from V for Vendetta: INTJ 4w5 Sx/Sp
    I object to this. V was an anarchist, and Alan Moore is an anarchist of the socialist variety, so I don't think we have any reason to conclude that V is some Randroid "libertarian."
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