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    Thomas Jefferson: INFP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Idealist View Post
    Thomas Jefferson: INFP?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    INTJ 3w4 Sx/Sp is my best guess based on what I've read about (elegant, great with words, suave, womanizing)
    At least in 1776, he's portrayed as an INFP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    He was more anti-bush than pro-kerry or pro-obama really. And his idea are very libertarian, in Serenity, for example, the heroes are authentic libertarians (same for scooby gang and Angel's team) and the enemy is not a capitalist system, but a welfare state.
    Not sure about that either. The central planets are portrayed as very, very well taken care of, but all the planets on the rim are essentially totally ignored by the government. They're terraformed and left to their own devices, far from receiving any help whatsoever. Welfare states aren't exactly defined by totally ignoring huge swaths of the populace, in particular the poorest groups.
    Does he want a pillow for his head?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    Batman INTJ 8w7 Sp/Sx
    This also seems a bit odd to me. I won't say it's flat out wrong, but Batman's type and his politics seem to leave room for a lot of debate. He's obviously pretty anti-crime (and, it seems, not super keen on the death penalty) for sure, but other than that it's kinda harder to place. His parents seem to usually be portrayed as taking a very strong interest in the welfare and well-being of the poor, not a particularly Randian kind of billionaire, but in fairness Bruce doesn't seem to actually do much to run his company. The dude is kinda crazy, and guessing his political stance on welfare or environmentalism or corporate regulation or anything that doesn't directly involve crime is gonna be at least a little bit of a shot in the dark.

    Oh, and he's very, very, VERY anti-gun. That's not too libertarian.
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    Friedrich Hayek - INTP
    Milton Friedman - ENTP
    Adam Smith - INTP
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    Ayn Rand - INTJ
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    Oh our 3rd person reference to ourselves denotes nothing more than we realize we are epic characters on the forum.

    Narcissism, plain and simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZPowers View Post
    This also seems a bit odd to me. I won't say it's flat out wrong, but Batman's type and his politics seem to leave room for a lot of debate. He's obviously pretty anti-crime (and, it seems, not super keen on the death penalty) for sure, but other than that it's kinda harder to place. His parents seem to usually be portrayed as taking a very strong interest in the welfare and well-being of the poor, not a particularly Randian kind of billionaire,
    Libertarians are not necessarly randian, liberatarians can totally be active philantropists, but I never seen Bruce Wayne defend the spoliation of the citizen's property by the welfare state. In the animated serie, Batman demonstrate an ability to applies a radical libertarian form of justice, for example, when Clayface steals a molecule to Wayne Enterprise, which could help him to deal with his horrible ill, Batman doesn't hesitate to stop the process while Clayface is about to, at least temporarly, becom Matt Hagen again. That's a radical opposition to steal and defense of private property, while the concept of welfare state agrees that we can use the force to steal a rare ressource in order to cure someone.

    but in fairness Bruce doesn't seem to actually do much to run his company. The dude is kinda crazy, and guessing his political stance on welfare or environmentalism or corporate regulation or anything that doesn't directly involve crime is gonna be at least a little bit of a shot in the dark.
    Bruce Wayne is actually what we can call a free-market environmentalist. Like Ron Paul or many others libertarians. His defense of environment is strictly based on private ethic, private property and private enterprize. And he is radically opposesd to the agressives ecologists that are Ra's al Ghul, Catwoman and Poison Ivy, who are the true socialists.

    Oh, and he's very, very, VERY anti-gun. That's not too libertarian.
    He refuses to use guns because he has been traumatized bu the murder oh his parents, and he fights against every criminals who use guns, but he will not fight against an innocent who use a gun to defend himself.

    By the way, i revised my guess about him MBTI type, I think now that he is ISTP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    Libertarians are not necessarly randian, liberatarians can totally be active philantropists, but I never seen Bruce Wayne defend the spoliation of the citizen's property by the welfare state. In the animated serie, Batman demonstrate an ability to applies a radical libertarian form of justice, for example, when Clayface steals a molecule to Wayne Enterprise, which could help him to deal with his horrible ill, Batman doesn't hesitate to stop the process while Clayface is about to, at least temporarly, becom Matt Hagen again. That's a radical opposition to steal and defense of private property, while the concept of welfare state agrees that we can use the force to steal a rare ressource in order to cure someone.


    Bruce Wayne is actually what we can call a free-market environmentalist. Like Ron Paul or many others libertarians. His defense of environment is strictly based on private ethic, private property and private enterprize. And he is radically opposesd to the agressives ecologists that are Ra's al Ghul, Catwoman and Poison Ivy, who are the true socialists.
    Does the "welfare state" agree on that? I think it might agree that someone who needs something that might cure them of a dangerous illness or injury should be able to have legal avenues and aids in gaining that thing, not that they can just steal it willy-nilly. That's a philosophical, not a political, issue. Wayne often makes offers to help cure enemies like Mr Freeze or Clayface (they tend to refuse or are unable to take the offer). Yes, that's his money, so he can do what he will. So long as they approach that goal within the context of the law and without detriment to others (I can't recall the episode you cite in question, but I'll bet stealing whatever he stole can and will cause great harm to others). Those actions don't have any real or definite implications about what he thinks the governments role should or shouldn't be. Besides, there are literally thousands of Batman stories. There are examples for all political leanings. Let's take Dark Knight: Batman bugs millions private citizens cell phones in a clear invasion of personal privacy.

    I also don't see how Ra's, Ivy and Catwoman are "true socialists." Catwoman isn't even an environmentalist as far as I know, with the possible exception of having some degree of care over animal welfare, and is besides that just an extremely talented thief. How is that socialist? Ra's Al Ghul usually has one of two motives: A) wipe out cities or populations ravaged by crime and poverty to improve humanity overall or B) completely destroy humanity, which has gone off the rails. How is that socialist? Ivy doesn't care at all about humanity or its social strata or governments, she just doesn't want people to hurt plants. She'd just as soon wipe out the world population herself. Again, where is the "socialist" part of that? I don't see how political alignment means anything to any of those three, especially Ra's (who clearly abhors weakness and seems exactly the kind of guy who'd call large groups of people parasitic) and Ivy (and if Catwoman is anything, I'd guess she likes capitalism pretty well. She sure does like associating herself with the upper crust and going to gala events, anyways).
    Does he want a pillow for his head?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    INTJ 3w4 Sx/Sp is my best guess based on what I've read about (elegant, great with words, suave, womanizing)
    Hm... never would have guessed that. I need to learn more about my presidents

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falcarius View Post
    Friedrich Hayek - INTP
    Milton Friedman - ENTP
    Adam Smith - INTP
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    Ayn Rand - INTJ
    David Ricardo- INTP
    NTJ, not NTP
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