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    Default Types of Dictators, Military Commanders and Conquerors

    these are my guesses:
    Shi huangdi (China): ?NTJ 6w5 Sp/Sx
    Genghis Khan (Mongols): ENTJ 8w7 Sx/So
    Hitler (Nazis): ?NFJ 6w5 Sx/So
    Alaric (Goths): EN?J 8w9 or 3w2 So/Sx
    Hannibal Barca (Carthage): INTJ 8w7 So/Sx
    William Wallace (Scotland): ENFJ 8w9 Sx/So
    George Washington (America): ISTJ 8w7 Sp/Sx
    Julius Caesar (Rome): E?TP 7w8 So/Sx
    Leonidas (Sparta): ESTP 3w2 or 8w7 So/Sx
    Alexander the Great (Macedonia): INTJ 8w7 Sx/So
    Agamemnon (Greece): ENTJ 8w7 So/Sp
    Sargon (Mesopotamia): ENTJ 8w7 So/Sx
    Sadam Hussein (Iraq): ESTJ 8w7 So/Sp
    Joseph Stalin (Russia): ENTJ 8w7 So/Sp
    Elizabeth I (England): ENTJ 1w9 So/Sp
    Robert E Lee (America): ISFJ 9w8 So/Sx
    Ulysses S. Grant (America): ESTP 8w7 Sx/So
    Hatshepsut (Egypt): ESTP 3w4 Sx/Sp
    Ramses I (Egypt): ENTJ or ESTP 3w2 or 8w7 Sx/So
    Nobunaga Oda (Japan):?NTJ 8w7 So/Sx
    Hideyoshi Hashiba/Hideyoshi Toyotomi (Japan): ENTP 6w5 Sp/So
    Shingen Takeda (Japan): ENTJ 8w9 Sx/Sp
    Kenshin Uesugi (Japan): ISTJ 8w7 So/Sp
    Sun Szu (China): INTJ 8w7 Sp/Sx
    Machiavelli (Italy): INTJ 8w7 Sp/So
    Attila the Hun (China): ENTJ ESTP 8w7 Sx/So
    Peter the Great: ENTP 7w8 So/Sx
    Ivan the Great: ENFP 8w7 So/Sx
    Napoleon: INTJ 8w7 Sp/Sx
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    A few disagreements, my dear elf.

    Stalin - ESTJ
    Alexander the Great - ESTP
    Ulysses S. Grant - ISTJ

    I agree with Hitler being NFJ, Elizabeth being NTJ (not sure about the extravert part though), and Saddam Hussein being ESTJ
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    A few disagreements, my dear elf.
    Stalin - ESTJ
    possible

    Alexander the Great - ESTP
    I doubt it. ESTPs can certainly be intelligent, capable leaders, but we're talking about one of the most brilliant military strategists the world has ever seen. I have my doubts he could have been anything other than an NTJ of some sort.

    Ulysses S. Grant - ISTJ
    also possible, but what little I know about him gives me a strong SP vibe

    I agree with Hitler being NFJ, Elizabeth being NTJ (not sure about the extravert part though), and Saddam Hussein being ESTJ
    agreed, I could also see Elizabeth as INTJ.

    PS: I just added Atilla the Hun, Machiavelli and Sun Tzu, do you agree with these?
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    I think that's quite a folly to state that brilliant military strategists =/= ESTP. Good chance that Patton and Rommel were both STPs.
    Alexander is described as "reckless", "impulsive", with a "fiery temperament" and generally charismatic. None of that is usually indicative of an INTJ. If he was an NT, he would be ENTP.

    I also think there is a good chance Machiavelli was ENTP. He had this Voltaireish troll vibe about him. Even if you look at the paintings of him, he always has this shit eating smirk that ENTPs tend to sport.

    Sun Tzu sounds INTJ to me. Don't really know that much about Atilla.

    Pretty damn certain about Stalin being an ESTJ. The man was originally put in charge of logistics by Lenin, which he excelled in (like most SJs do), and which tends to be the weakest spot for NTs. He also had a very SJ approach to solving problems - by going through everything with a very fine comb, as opposed to implementing novel/abstract solutions. Also, this being circumstantial evidence but still... Saddam Hussein admired Stalin very much, which makes sense - them being of the same type and all. And that 'stache! STJs love 'staches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    I think that's quite a folly to state that brilliant military strategists =/= ESTP. Good chance that Patton and Rommel were both STPs.
    Alexander is described as "reckless", "impulsive", with a "fiery temperament" and generally charismatic. None of that is usually indicative of an INTJ. If he was an NT, he would be ENTP.

    I also think there is a good chance Machiavelli was ENTP. He had this Voltaireish troll vibe about him. Even if you look at the paintings of him, he always has this shit eating smirk that ENTPs tend to sport.

    Sun Tzu sounds INTJ to me. Don't really know that much about Atilla.

    Pretty damn certain about Stalin being an ESTJ. The man was originally put in charge of logistics by Lenin, which he excelled in (like most SJs do), and which tends to be the weakest spot for NTs. He also had a very SJ approach to solving problems - by going through everything with a very fine comb, as opposed to implementing novel/abstract solutions. Also, this being circumstantial evidence but still... Saddam Hussein admired Stalin very much, which makes sense - them being of the same type and all. And that 'stache! STJs love 'staches.
    I don't doubt ESTP's ability to be brilliant military strategists, but one of the best military strategists in history? I do doubt that, though it's not impossible. ENTP sounds like a strong possibility though. he did have a sort of Peter the Great vibe to him (I'm adding him to the list)
    not sure about Machiavelli
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    Bonaparte: J- demonstrative. Order: Te > Fe.
    Hitler: J- demonstrative. Order: Fe > Te.
    The Te of Hitler was well above average. However, his Fe was even higher.

    If you are J- demonstrative, it automatically follows you are P- reflective.
    The basic tenet of Jung. Statistically proven by Eysenck.

    The Ni of Hitler was well above average. However, his Si was even higher.

    Bonaparte: Ni > Si.
    Hitler: Si > Ni.

    Inference.

    Bonaparte: NT.
    Hitler: SF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Bonaparte: J- demonstrative. Order: Te > Fe.
    Hitler: J- demonstrative. Order: Fe > Te.
    The Te of Hitler was well above average. However, his Fe was even higher.

    If you are J- demonstrative, it automatically follows you are P- reflective.
    The basic tenet of Jung. Statistically proven by Eysenck.

    The Ni of Hitler was well above average. However, his Si was even higher.

    Bonaparte: Ni > Si.
    Hitler: Si > Ni.

    Inference.

    Bonaparte: NT.
    Hitler: SF.
    how the hell did I forget Napoleon
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    It seems the less you know about someone, the easier it is to type them.

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    Hitler (Nazis): ENFJ 6w5 Sx/So
    Julius Caesar (Rome): ENTP 7w8 So/Sp
    Leonidas (Sparta): ISTP 8w7 So/Sx
    Alexander the Great (Macedonia): ENTP 7w8 Sx/So (or maybe So/Sx)
    Sadam Hussein (Iraq): ESTJ 8w7 So/Sx
    Joseph Stalin (Russia): ENTJ 8w7 So/Sp
    Elizabeth I (England): INTJ 1w9 So/Sp
    Robert E Lee (America): ISFJ 1w9 So/Sx
    Ulysses S. Grant (America): ISFP 9w8 So/Sx
    Machiavelli (Italy): INTJ 8w7 Sp/So
    Attila the Hun (China): ENTJ ESTP 8w7 Sx/So
    Napoleon (Corse): INTJ 8w7 Sp/So
    Nero (Roma): ENFP 3w2 Sx/So
    Commode(Roma): ENFP 6w7 Sx/So
    Mussolini (Italy): ENFP 8w7 So/Sx
    Joan of Arc (France): ESFJ 6w7 Sx/So
    Rommel (Germany): ISTP 3w4 Sp/So

    American presidents
    FDR: ENTJ 8w7 So/Sp (Lost Generation)
    Harry Truman: ISTJ 6w5 So/Sp (Lost Generation)
    Ike Eisenhower: INTJ 9w8 Sp/So (Lost Generation)
    JFK: ESTP 7w8 So/Sp (Greatest Generation)
    Lyndon Johnson: ESTJ 8w9 Sp/So (Greatest Generation)
    Richard Nixon: ESTJ 6w5 Sp/So (Greatest Generation)
    Gerald Ford: INTP 9w8 Sp/So (Greatest Generation)
    Jimmy Carter: INFJ 3w4 So/Sp (Greatest Generation)
    Ronald Reagan: ENFJ 9w8 So/Sx (Greatest Generation)
    George Bush Sr: ISFJ 6w5 Sp/So (Greatest Generation)
    Bill Clinton: ESFP 3w2 So/Sx (BOOM Generation)
    George W Bush Jr: ESTP 9w8 So/Sp (BOOM Generation)
    Barack Obama: ENFP 3w4 So/Sp (Generation X)

    French presidents
    Charles de Gaulle: ENFJ 8w7 So/Sx
    Georges Pompidou: ESTJ 8w7 Sp/So
    Valery Giscard d'Estaing: ENFJ 1w9 So/Sx
    François Mitterand: ENFJ 8w7 So/Sx
    Jacques Chirac: ESTP 7w8 Sp/So
    Nicolas Sarkosy: ESTP 8w7 So/Sx
    EsTP 6w7 Sx/Sp

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    Hitler (Nazis): ENFJ 6w5 Sx/So
    Julius Caesar (Rome): ENTP 7w8 So/Sp
    Leonidas (Sparta): ISTP 8w7 So/Sx
    Alexander the Great (Macedonia): ENTP 7w8 Sx/So (or maybe So/Sx)
    Sadam Hussein (Iraq): ESTJ 8w7 So/Sx
    Joseph Stalin (Russia): ENTJ 8w7 So/Sp
    Elizabeth I (England): INTJ 1w9 So/Sp
    Robert E Lee (America): ISFJ 1w9 So/Sx
    Ulysses S. Grant (America): ISFP 9w8 So/Sx
    Machiavelli (Italy): INTJ 8w7 Sp/So
    Attila the Hun (China): ENTJ ESTP 8w7 Sx/So
    Napoleon (Corse): INTJ 8w7 Sp/So
    Nero (Roma): ENFP 3w2 Sx/So
    Commode(Roma): ENFP 6w7 Sx/So
    Mussolini (Italy): ENFP 8w7 So/Sx
    Joan of Arc (France): ESFJ 6w7 Sx/So
    Rommel (Germany): ISTP 3w4 Sp/So

    American presidents
    FDR: ENTJ 8w7 So/Sp (Lost Generation)
    Harry Truman: ISTJ 6w5 So/Sp (Lost Generation)
    Ike Eisenhower: INTJ 9w8 Sp/So (Lost Generation)
    JFK: ESTP 7w8 So/Sp (Greatest Generation)
    Lyndon Johnson: ESTJ 8w9 Sp/So (Greatest Generation)
    Richard Nixon: ESTJ 6w5 Sp/So (Greatest Generation)
    Gerald Ford: INTP 9w8 Sp/So (Greatest Generation)
    Jimmy Carter: INFJ 3w4 So/Sp (Greatest Generation)
    Ronald Reagan: ENFJ 9w8 So/Sx (Greatest Generation)
    George Bush Sr: ISFJ 6w5 Sp/So (Greatest Generation)
    Bill Clinton: ESFP 3w2 So/Sx (BOOM Generation)
    George W Bush Jr: ESTP 9w8 So/Sp (BOOM Generation)
    Barack Obama: ENFP 3w4 So/Sp (Generation X)

    French presidents
    Charles de Gaulle: ENFJ 8w7 So/Sx
    Georges Pompidou: ESTJ 8w7 Sp/So
    Valery Giscard d'Estaing: ENFJ 1w9 So/Sx
    François Mitterand: ENFJ 8w7 So/Sx
    Jacques Chirac: ESTP 7w8 Sp/So
    Nicolas Sarkosy: ESTP 8w7 So/Sx
    - Joan of Arc is SOOO INFP, have you read any of her letters or her trial hearing? her speaking and writing style are pretty much exclusively NFP
    - Barack Obama is a complete Fe user
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