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    From what we know (assuming none of us know him personally), what does Colbert do that's Se leading? I don't see it in his humor or presentation. And don't just say it's just an opinion. That's fair and all, but at least make some shit up. It's more fun that way at least.

    For example, if I were to make up my own reasoning, then I would say that people who develop humor like his have gotten that good at it from a lifetime of skills in deflection and sarcasm. ESPs tend to be more in your face and straightforward than that. Their humor reflects it.

    See that was easy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oakysage View Post
    Ah, there always exists a slight inclination to one dichotomy over the other and to pinpoint them is where we test our accuracy and precision of what we know of the mind processes and the jungian functions that follow with such.
    Well in that case I'm an 'I' which I definitely am not, but hey that's what I test as right? :p
    For your information, what you test as isn't necessarily your true type. If it was, there would be no confusion over ppl's true mbti.

    Quote Originally Posted by VeniVidiVici View Post
    Yes, I would agree the character since it's based on Bill O'Reily who is an ESTJ. I would think the man is an INTP or ENTP.
    do you guys just think all S's are dumba$$es or something?
    he's an ETP for christs sake. ESTPs can be EXTREMELY intelligent (hell any type can be), especially with language. They often excell at foreign languges and can make excellent writers. What, you think his jokes are too clever for an S to come up with? first of all he has writers, and second of all, NO. jezus, ESTPs are funny, most all the ones I've met. clever humor and one of the dominant functions as Ti tend to go together. Also, while he is mocking patriotic machoism and all that crap, he does it awfully well. :p ESTP males I've met also have kind of played up the gender stereotype, poking fun at it but also kind of going with it as well, sometimes 'playing' the jerkish idot you love to hate.

    @KDude : my explanation :p

    Also, I can really understand why you would think Bill O'Reily is an ESTJ, but he's actually an INFP with a well developed ESTJ side. You can tell because he's a bit more wound up than ESTJs normally are. I'm not saying ESTJs don't know how to talk but their extroverted functions usually make them a bit more laid back in speech.

    To see first hand an example of what I mean here's a clip of Bill OReily. compare with clips of R Kelly and P!nk, ESTJs, and I think you'll see what I'm saying. Oh an Cher is also an INFP so I'll add her to the mix.

    Cher: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z2ud1GqmYo

    Bill O': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwLqqEzT6rg

    R Kelly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsSrdcSBL9I

    P!nk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC7Ij_NNa7E
    Last edited by Patches; 08-26-2011 at 01:08 AM.

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    For the record, I don't necessarily think ESTPs are dumb at all. One of my best friends is probably one. I'm not sure if you're accusing me, but I'm not going to get bundled in with that, if I can help it. My comment had nothing to do with calling anyone dumb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    For the record, I don't necessarily think ESTPs are dumb at all. One of my best friends is probably one. I'm not sure if you're accusing me, but I'm not going to get bundled in with that, if I can help it. My comment had nothing to do with calling anyone dumb.
    oh no, i was reffering to VVV who thought he had to be an N.

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    I type Bill O'Reilly a Whiner. Like just about any political pundit. I don't think it's type related.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    I type Bill O'Reilly a Whiner. Like just about any political pundit. I don't think it's type related.
    Haha, yeah I hate him. :p Such a slimeball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amerellis View Post
    Well in that case I'm an 'I' which I definitely am not, but hey that's what I test as right? :p
    For your information, what you test as isn't necessarily your true type. If it was, there would be no confusion over ppl's true mbti.
    But it's never about what you test as. Tests also use the same folk typological ways to determine one's type but in specific manners. Determining type is about how you experience life in your mind. The first function you use is mostly determined by how you automatically and naturally process information received from the external or internal world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amerellis View Post
    do you guys just think all S's are dumba$$es or something?
    he's an ETP for christs sake. ESTPs can be EXTREMELY intelligent (hell any type can be), especially with language. They often excell at foreign languges and can make excellent writers. What, you think his jokes are too clever for an S to come up with? first of all he has writers, and second of all, NO. jezus, ESTPs are funny, most all the ones I've met. clever humor and one of the dominant functions as Ti tend to go together. Also, while he is mocking patriotic machoism and all that crap, he does it awfully well. :p ESTP males I've met also have kind of played up the gender stereotype, poking fun at it but also kind of going with it as well, sometimes 'playing' the jerkish idot you love to hate.
    No, I don't think Sensors are dumbasses. I just don't see how he uses Se at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VeniVidiVici View Post
    No, I don't think Sensors are dumbasses. I just don't see how he uses Se at all.
    O ok. It's just that I know some Ns who do, usually NTs, and it's SO obnoxious and dumb/wrong. Uhm, you don't see how he uses Se? first of all what are your perceptions od Se? If you think Se = in your face that's not really correct. While a lot of ESTPs I meet online are the type to call everyone a 'fag' and employ pretty immoral shock tactics in their humor, ENTPs often are guilty of the same shit. Stephen has said that after his dad died he just started reading constantly sci fi books, which is a usually N dominated category in literature I would think. So that might have helped sharpen his N. But . . . I mean it's kind of difficult to explain how he uses the Se function but it is very clearly there in his humor. I guess a sort of example is that usually ST/NFs EST and INF in particular, use metaphors to describe things. You can see him using a metaphor, "head beam of justice" in the above clip. Yeah, I know that's not the most solid of explanations. But yeah idk . . . I'll try to think of other examples but . . . it's pretty hard to describe.
    Ok reffering back to the clip, you know how he makes the 'no spin zone' joke? a literal interpratation . . . that seems pretty ST. I mean it doesn't have to be but. . . k next . . .
    'pinker than an indian river grapefruit' lol, this just strikes me as Se. no?
    'Jesus Christ or Pat Robertson's protein shake?' lmao that strikes me as very Se as well. I guess because it uses a very specific example. Nes are usually focused on patterns, the big picture, while Ses focus on things more individually so thinking up specific funny examples like that might be more common among Se humor? However, I can think of examples of Nes using this type of humor as well so maybe this isn't the best evidence . . .
    Oh, ok I think I've got a legit example of SeTi at work in how he is so good at picking up turns of phrases and sayings, like "pull the wool over their eyes" and "the sugar that makes the medicine go down." This is something ESTPs are almost known for, picking up turns of phrases and the like and using them.

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    "Direct" humor isn't calling someone a "fag". It's more along the lines of sassiness or swagger. Something like that. It's their whole personality.. not just something they say occassionally. Off the top of my head, I think Rossane Barr is more of an ESTP comedian than he is. The same type of personality is elsewhere, like in Mae West or Madonna (even though they're not comedians). Colbert's a different kind of underhanded wittyness. Not sure how to put it atm. For one, he mocks things with a mask, like Sascha Baron Cohen. And I don't think people employ humor like he does by being a type that tends to address everything head on instead.

    In any case, type is a lot more subtle than equating Se with someone who speaks "specifics" and addresses common objects. Someone who talks about a poodle or saltshaker wouldn't necessarily be Se. If that was the case, N types would have to be completely mute. They couldn't employ any words for any of their concepts because they'd be so deep and expansive..the world couldn't be good enough, since everything can be stripped down and addressed in specifics.

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