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    With a certain talent for rhetoric, as well as an absolute certainty about the merits of my own views, I found that I could generally win these arguments, in the narrow sense of leaving my grandfather flustered, angry, and sounding unreasonable. But at some point, perhaps in my senior year, such victories started to feel less satisfying. I started thinking about the struggles and disappointments he had seen in his life. I started to appreciate his need to feel respected in his own home. I realized that abiding by his rules would cost me little, but to him it would mean a lot. I recognized that sometimes he really did have a point, and that in insisting on getting my own way all the time, without regard to his feelings or needs, I was in some way diminishing myself.
    Generally, I would say Barack Obama is an extrovert and he uses Fe. That leaves ESTP, ESFJ, ENTP, and ENFJ. I don't want to jump on the intuitive bandwagon and always assume anytime someone has a modicum of intelligence they're an N. That being said, I'm going to say he's either ENTP or ENFJ.

    The time frame of this passage is during his high school years. What teenager isn't rebellious or try to avoid doing household chores? I argued quite a bit with my parents during my teenage years. If I start with him being an ENFJ or ENTP then I'd wonder why an ENTP would seem to acquiesce to such a Fe sentiment (bolded part) at 17 or 18. Using a tertiary function so adeptly at such a young age is rare. And the type of Fe that manifests itself in ETPs at that age tends to be the showy, bow to me and my cleverness (think nocapszy).
    Relationships have normal ebbs and flows. They do not automatically get better and better when the participants learn more and more about each other. Instead, the participants have to work through the tensions of the relationship (the dialectic) while they learn and group themselves and a parties in a relationships. At times the relationships is very open and sharing. Other time, one or both parties to the relationship need their space, or have other concerns, and the relationship is less open. The theory posits that these cycles occur throughout the life of the relationship as the persons try to balance their needs for privacy and open relationship.
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    Marged with another thread having to do with the type of the candidates (and moved as well)

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    I agree with Eco's objection to dissonance's "NJ" assignation, but otherwise I am leaning towards PM's assessment of Fe use.

    And honestly, if you just go by presentation alone, he presents in the typical lower-key and more personal way an ENFJ does, NOT in the more grandiose hyped-up rather frenetic way an ENTP (even a mature ENTP) tends to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nottaprettygal View Post
    Marged with another thread having to do with the type of the candidates (and moved as well)
    Am I the only one who thinks typing threads are more manageable and thus productive when they are about one person only...?

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    He seems remarkably ENFJ to me. I've never noticed any strong NT traits. He seems like a classic idealist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    If I start with him being an ENFJ or ENTP then I'd wonder why an ENTP would seem to acquiesce to such a Fe sentiment (bolded part) at 17 or 18. Using a tertiary function so adeptly at such a young age is rare. And the type of Fe that manifests itself in ETPs at that age tends to be the showy, bow to me and my cleverness (think nocapszy).
    See my query to dissonance about whether this empathy was instinctive or a rational adoption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Economica View Post
    I disagree, I think that's ENTP in a nutshell.
    you're probably right. it's just that i'm an NFJ and i relate to literally all of that. it was the phrase "certainty of the merits of my views" that made me think Ni. i guess i should've just said N.

    Is this really what the development of true empathy sounds like though? I think it sounds like realizing that a rational reason for respecting his grandfather's rules is because they are important to his grandfather.
    empathy isn't some intangible, irrational thing. my explanation of empathy would sound much like that. and plus, he's taking the perspective of his grandfather (Ni) with a social harmony slant (Fe).

    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    And the type of Fe that manifests itself in ETPs at that age tends to be the showy, bow to me and my cleverness (think nocapszy).
    hahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Economica View Post
    Am I the only one who thinks typing threads are more manageable and thus productive when they are about one person only...?
    Yup.

    I'm here for efficiency. Besides, others interested in this topic may not have known that the other thread existed with prior opinions on the exact same person.

    Carry on!

    EDIT: Oh...I think ENFJ by the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    And honestly, if you just go by presentation alone, he presents in the typical lower-key and more personal way an ENFJ does, NOT in the more grandiose hyped-up rather frenetic way an ENTP (even a mature ENTP) tends to.
    Hmm. This is the part where I wish I knew The_Liquid_Laser IRL for comparison...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Economica View Post
    See my query to dissonance about whether this empathy was instinctive or a rational adoption.
    i think a rational would be more likely to explain it as "i realized placating my grandfather was a better strategic move". (although i'm exaggerating a bit, i'll admit)

    his explanation seemed more like "i felt bad because he'd been through a lot, and i realized i should make my thankfulness more clear"


    and regardless of all this stuff, he just gives me such an NFJ vibe!

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