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    Thread merged for the fourth fcuking time!
    Relationships have normal ebbs and flows. They do not automatically get better and better when the participants learn more and more about each other. Instead, the participants have to work through the tensions of the relationship (the dialectic) while they learn and group themselves and a parties in a relationships. At times the relationships is very open and sharing. Other time, one or both parties to the relationship need their space, or have other concerns, and the relationship is less open. The theory posits that these cycles occur throughout the life of the relationship as the persons try to balance their needs for privacy and open relationship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    LOL. I'm thinking those against a particular candidate are refusing to allow a two-preference similarity between he and themselves.

    "No way is McCain NT, he's an ass!"
    I don't think he's an NT, because he just doesn't act like an NT. I think Rush Limbaugh is an ass, but I could totally believe that he's an NT (even an ENTP). On the other hand I have a fair amount of respect for McCain. I just think he's a respectable ESTP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Liquid_Laser View Post
    I don't think he's an NT, because he just doesn't act like an NT. I think Rush Limbaugh is an ass, but I could totally believe that he's an NT (even an ENTP). On the other hand I have a fair amount of respect for McCain. I just think he's a respectable ESTP.
    The only other type I would consider reasonably possible for McCain is ISTP. He has all the typical introvert characteristics. That said, I still think INTP is much more appropriate. Your mileage obviously varies.

    His behavior "under stress" seems very INTP to me. Disagree?
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    And here, as far as I'm concerned, it's easy to tell he's contemplating things (in the style of an INTP), as opposed to trying to remember a list of buzzwords.
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    Did you watch the debate? He accused Obama of not knowing the difference between strategy and tactics, listed some things in which he considered himself the better strategist - and they were all tactical! ESTP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Grey Badger View Post
    Did you watch the debate? He accused Obama of not knowing the difference between strategy and tactics, listed some things in which he considered himself the better strategist - and they were all tactical! ESTP.
    Because INTPs don't make mistakes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    The only other type I would consider reasonably possible for McCain is ISTP. He has all the typical introvert characteristics. That said, I still think INTP is much more appropriate. Your mileage obviously varies.

    His behavior "under stress" seems very INTP to me. Disagree?
    YouTube - Straight Talk Express

    And here, as far as I'm concerned, it's easy to tell he's contemplating things (in the style of an INTP), as opposed to trying to remember a list of buzzwords.
    YouTube - Aboard the Straight Talk Express with John McCain
    Well I definitely get the I vibe from him out of that video. I don't really know how to recognize T or N in isolation, and this clip is too short to get a really good overall feel for his personality, so that's the furthest I'll venture for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    Well I definitely get the I vibe from him out of that video. I don't really know how to recognize T or N in isolation, and this clip is too short to get a really good overall feel for his personality, so that's the furthest I'll venture for him.
    I'm going by type categorization, as in "He acts like INTPs act." It could in other words be described with functions, such as Ti-Ne. Few would argue that McCain is better than Obama at corraling the masses, which could be attributed to something such as Fe in Obama. But functions aren't directly observable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    His behavior "under stress" seems very INTP to me. Disagree?
    Yeah I disagree. In those links I can see Ti pretty clearly, but I don't see any N. I still think he's ESTP, but I could also see ISTP. I tend to think his lack of energy comes from him being old and having physical difficulties from the torture. His background suggests ESTP more, but I could still see him being ISTP. Either way he's no N.

    Because INTPs don't make mistakes?
    Not mistakes like this. Making a mistake involving a definition is the type of thing an INTP normally corrects others on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apollanaut View Post
    I'd guess McCain as ENTJ and Obama as ENTP.

    ENTJ is the classic Presidential type, even George W Bush is an ENTJ (ENTJ doesn't mean you have to be clever!).
    George W. Bush is very clever, but he's not ENTJ.

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Liquid_Laser View Post
    I don't think he's an NT, because he just doesn't act like an NT. I think Rush Limbaugh is an ass, but I could totally believe that he's an NT (even an ENTP). On the other hand I have a fair amount of respect for McCain. I just think he's a respectable ESTP.
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