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    why isn't ENTJ there @_@

    It should be. I THINK. INFP 8w7 sx/so would be <insert stereotypical heroic adjective/action here>. If they even exist. I think the closest to that would be a 1w2. Are there INFP 1w2s? I've only seen INFJ ones. idk im bullshitting out of my fingers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    this doesn't strike you as heroic?

    and lets we not forget Sir Ian McKellen, he's a 4 too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    this doesn't strike you as heroic?

    i'm on my phone and can't see the video you posted but if it's from a movie or anime or something that doesn't change my mind. i'm not saying we can't be heroes, but we're self-absorbed by default and not naturally interested in saving someone. more in being saved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chana View Post
    i'm on my phone and can't see the video you posted but if it's from a movie or anime or something that doesn't change my mind. i'm not saying we can't be heroes, but we're self-absorbed by default and not naturally interested in saving someone. more in being saved.
    it's not saving the princess that makes you a hero, it's slaying the dragon... if you catch my meaning. saving people alone does not make one a hero. you have to do something out of the ordinary, inspiring and grandiose. that's why I think 4w3s are heroic sometimes, we're all about drama
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    1st clip: michael jackson (4w3 sx/so), smooth criminal
    2nd clip: O Don Fatale, from Verdi's Don Carlo, sung by Maria Callas (4w3 sx/sp)
    3rd: Gandalf vs the Balrog (Ian McKellen is a 4 and virtually all of his characters are heroic and bad ass)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    You are heroic when you challenge things, each person have their personal challenges.
    this.

    there are all sorts of heroes. why limit it to one type?

    non-traditional heroes are some of my favorite characters.

    it really is also rather common that you - elfboy - make threads like this and then fixate upon your preferred values. i like that you are so strong in your values, but it is offputting to those of us who are not of your chosen type!

    can i make a suggestion? perhaps instead of, "what type is the most heroic?", it could be beneficial to think along the lines of "how does each type manifest heroism?" that would be more appealing, i think. saying only one type can be the most heroic limits us to thinking that only one type can fulfill something every human should and can seek to fulfill. and will fulfill. i think it is rare that a human being does not have some moment of heroism in their lifetime.

    my ESFJ 2w1 so mom is one of the most heroic people i know. she is endlessly selfless. it's amazing how much of her time, both on her job and off, she dedicates to making others' lives better.

    my dad, INTP 6w5 sp, is basically her polar opposite, and he is also heroic. recently they tried to get him to do something very covert and slightly illegal and unethical at his job (in a humanitarian field), and instead of just doing it quietly, he stood up and said, hell no i will not do that, and you should not be asking anyone else to do that, either. they could have fired him on the spot. instead, they apologized to him, and stopped.

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    isfp 9w8 sp/sx.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    this.

    there are all sorts of heroes. why limit it to one type?

    non-traditional heroes are some of my favorite characters.

    it really is also rather common that you - elfboy - make threads like this and then fixate upon your preferred values. i like that you are so strong in your values, but it is offputting to those of us who are not of your chosen type!

    can i make a suggestion? perhaps instead of, "what type is the most heroic?", it could be beneficial to think along the lines of "how does each type manifest heroism?" that would be more appealing, i think. saying only one type can be the most heroic limits us to thinking that only one type can fulfill something every human should and can seek to fulfill. and will fulfill. i think it is rare that a human being does not have some moment of heroism in their lifetime.

    my ESFJ 2w1 so mom is one of the most heroic people i know. she is endlessly selfless. it's amazing how much of her time, both on her job and off, she dedicates to making others' lives better.

    my dad, INTP 6w5 sp, is basically her polar opposite, and he is also heroic. recently they tried to get him to do something very covert and slightly illegal and unethical at his job (in a humanitarian field), and instead of just doing it quietly, he stood up and said, hell no i will not do that, and you should not be asking anyone else to do that, either. they could have fired him on the spot. instead, they apologized to him, and stopped.
    the opposite, I'm trying to open grounds for discussion on what being a hero is about, however, as I have rather intense opinions on what is/is not heroic that were immediately stated, I've sorta shot myself in the foot.

    underlined: because imho, not every type is naturally heroic. every type has natural great qualities, but heroism isn't always one of them

    italics: this for instance is not something I would consider heroic. don't get me wrong, it's a great characteristic to have, but it's not heroic. however, as the original intention of this thread was to discuss which type is the most heroic (an intention I apologize for communicating poorly in the OP) feel free to voice your disagreements

    bold and underlined: this on the other hand was heroic. he stood up to someone he thought was being unjust and said "bitch step off"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    That sounds like a boring moralistic guy who bother everyone around with his thoughts and ideals. Unbearable.

    Elsewhere, it seems to we can describe what happened like this:

    "define "heroic""

    Elfboy: "me".

    :zzzz:
    You beat me to the punch.

    Heroism (yet another "trait") isn't tied to any particular enneagram or MBTI type. Heroic people just are. We all have the capacity to do great things in our lives or terrible things. Great still, perhaps, but ultimately terrible.

    Unless you're a pretzel, in which case heroism might be defined as "not being eaten."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwace View Post
    why isn't ENTJ there @_@

    It should be. I THINK. INFP 8w7 sx/so would be <insert stereotypical heroic adjective/action here>. If they even exist. I think the closest to that would be a 1w2. Are there INFP 1w2s? I've only seen INFJ ones. idk im bullshitting out of my fingers
    Mithos Yggdrassil from Tales of Symphonia is this type.
    Suzaku from Yu Yu Hakusho is an INFP 8 sx/sp (he's not very heroic though, just cool)
    Alice from the new Alice in Wonderland movie is INFP 8w9 sp/sx
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    Unless you're a pretzel, in which case heroism might be defined as "not being eaten."
    I feel it'd be more heroic to be eaten. Unless it was a store window view only pretzel, in which case it'd be heroic to glisten appetizingly.

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