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    John: 5w4 Sx/So INTP
    Paul: 3w2 Sp/Sx ESFP
    George: 1w9 Sp/Sx ISFP
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    Why INTP for Lennon? I'm really curious about his type but I don't know too much about him.

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    Very rational, very cynical, very head-in-the-clouds, very intelectual, not very emotional, not extrovert. Seems INTP to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    Very rational, very cynical, very head-in-the-clouds, very intelectual, not very emotional, not extrovert. Seems INTP to me.
    Very rational & cynical? Huh?? This is the guy who wrote "All You Need Is Love," "Give Peace a Chance" & "Imagine"-- three of the all-time hippie peace anthems. You could argue he only did it as a posture to make money, but that doesn't align with how vocal he was in opposition to the Vietnam war (among other things), & the fact that he spent several years in the late 60s & 70s basically going out of his way to piss off the government, to the point where the Nixon administration tried to have him deported & the FBI accumulated several hundred pages worth of files on him. He basically broke up the Beatles at their zenith as a cash-making empire so he could lay in bed with Yoko Ono. He made a point of speaking his mind even in the Beatles' early days as squeaky-teen idols, & kept that pattern throughout his life.

    To be cynical is to act practically at the expense of idealism out of the idea that self-interest always wins. "If you can't beat 'em, join em". Unless you're talking about the ancient Greek philosophical school (which was really a form of idealism centered on virtue & harmonious living), John Lennon was the exact opposite of a cynic.

    Still, I think it's possible he was an INTP, but the emotion in most of his songs makes me think INFP or ENFP.

    I think George may have been INFP also do to his mystical religious focus (remember he was the Beatle most affected by their trip into India & meeting with the Maharishi & all that, & he was one of the few 60s musicians who maintained an interest in Eastern meditation & stuff like that throughout his entire life). But, I can see ISFP also.

    As for Paul & Ringo, I agree with ESFP though I can also see ESFJ for Ringo.

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    John was emotional toward his songs, not emotonal at all and not pacific at all in real life.

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    My opinion is that if that guy was not INTP, nobody is INTP.
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    How does a nonemotional person write emotional songs? Or, more specifically in response to your statement, how does a person otherwise "not emotional at all" suddenly become emotional in regards to songwriting? What would cause a nonemotional person to suddenly have emotions in the context of songwriting?

    That he didn't express his feelings in day-to-day life is probably the whole reason he was such an expressive songwriter-- because he had to find some outlet for it.

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    But notice, I'm still not saying he wasn't an INTP. I just think you're misunderstanding his personality.

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    John was emotional, but not emotionally expressive; characteristic of an INTP.

    On a different note, I don't see how someone couldn't fake emotion when writing a song.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unsung View Post
    John was emotional, but not emotionally expressive; characteristic of an INTP.
    It seems more characteristic of male introversion in general. And he WAS emotionally expressive-- in his songs. That's actually what I was just saying.

    On a different note, I don't see how someone couldn't fake emotion when writing a song.
    Of course you could-- but it wouldn't be believable, just like most things that are fake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunnyDigestion View Post
    It seems more characteristic of male introversion in general. And he WAS emotionally expressive-- in his songs. That's actually what I was just saying..
    What I meant was also that he was emotional in his songs, but not in person.

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