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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    That is describing the Ni type. The enneatype described here is 4.
    No.


    That describes the anti-Si Individualist type 4.
    He was an individualist but not especially anti-Si. He had a wing 4, bu did'nt see the world on the emotives angles, he was self-contained and rational: 5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    No.




    He was an individualist but not especially anti-Si. He had a wing 4, bu did'nt see the world on the emotives angles, he was self-contained and rational: 5.
    The type 2 is the emotivist of the Enneagram. The type 4 is the intuitionist, speaking to that which they tend to lead with in life, or that power which tends to dominate.

    Lennon states in the 1980 interview that he saw things that others couldn't see: Ni. He was anti-tradition, the Si is pro-tradition. The Ni is more typically anti-tradition than the Ti who is merely indifferent to it. And Lennon does not describe himself as intellectual in the Ti sense. He does not express any interest whatsoever in Ti subjects such as math and science. And he was an Artist in the type 4 sense, desiring to express his intuition indirectly through his art in an attempt to be understood. "I was different from the others. I was different all my life."
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    The type 2 is the emotivist of the Enneagram. The type 4 is the intuitionist, speaking to that which they tend to lead with in life, or that power which tends to dominate.
    4s are emotivist, they react to situations according to their emotional meanings, not their stricly materials manifestation.

    Lennon states in the 1980 interview that he saw things that others couldn't see: Ni. He was anti-tradition, the Si is pro-tradition. The Ni is more typically anti-tradition than the Ti who is merely indifferent to it. And Lennon does not describe himself as intellectual in the Ti sense.
    Si is about managing your life following through past experiences and organised concrete data, before being about tradition (it's nothing more tan a cliché) Ni is about envision an organised future or vision on your own. Lennon was not a planner. You don't need to have Ni to be anti-traditionalist. Tons of anti-traditionalist have not Ni. Ti is about logic and understanding, not a bout a specific form of intelectualism.


    He does not express any interest whatsoever in Ti subjects such as math and science.
    Cliché. Laugh.

    And he was an Artist in the type 4 sense, desiring to express his intuition indirectly through his art in an attempt to be understood. "I was different from the others. I was different all my life."
    He was different and an artist but he has no Envy, wich is the 4 thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    4s are emotivist, they react to situations according to their emotional meanings, not their stricly materials manifestation.



    Si is about managing your life following through past experiences and organised concrete data, before being about tradition (it's nothing more tan a cliché) Ni is about envision an organised future or vision on your own. Lennon was not a planner. You don't need to have Ni to be anti-traditionalist. Tons of anti-traditionalist have not Ni. Ti is about logic and understanding, not a bout a specific form of intelectualism.




    Cliché. Laugh.



    He was different and an artist but he has no Envy, wich is the 4 thing.
    I'm glad you think this is so funny. And your idea that envy is a '4 thing' is also a cliche.

    There is no evidence one way or another about Lennon's organizational skills. All your "evidence" is based on your external impression of him. It's better to take him at his word. His very statements express Ni and anti-Si, and Si is very traditionalist among other things, either as a way of life or as just a way of gathering information. It is obvious from the interview I quoted that Lennon was against Si-tradition as a way of life, he would have known nothing about information-gathering methods. I said nothing about J or P. And I don't believe that I/E determine MBTI type, that is an MBTI logical fallacy based on an assumption.

    Yes of course anybody can be anti-Si except for the Si person. However, Lennon's reasons for being anti-Si make the difference here. Some, like James Dean in that movie, are rebels without a cause. Lennon was a rebel with a cause, and that cause was individualism, or better, individualistic expression.

    All we have to go on here are Lennon's words, and our cliche-based interpretations - which are supported by all the typology books and websites - and a lot of pseudo-science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    I'm glad you think this is so funny. And your idea that envy is a '4 thing' is also a cliche.
    No, it is the passion of the type, if you don't have issues on it, you're not a 4. Learn a little.

    There is no evidence one way or another about Lennon's organizational skills.
    That guy even did'nt know where he put his watch.

    All your "evidence" is based on your external impression of him.
    No.

    It's better to take him at his word. His very statements express Ni and anti-Si,

    Cognitive functions are not expressed in word.

    It is obvious from the interview I quoted that Lennon was against Si-tradition as a way of life,

    He was anti treadition, not anti-si, and even if he was, that would be a proof that he is an Ne user.

    he would have known nothing about information-gathering methods. I said nothing about J or P. And I don't believe that I/E determine MBTI type, that is an MBTI logical fallacy based on an assumption.
    Intellectual masturbation.

    Yes of course anybody can be anti-Si except for the Si person. However, Lennon's reasons for being anti-Si make the difference here. Some, like James Dean in that movie, are rebels without a cause. Lennon was a rebel with a cause, and that cause was individualism, or better, individualistic expression.
    Hem, James Dean was about individualistic expression too. James Deasn, however, was a true 4w5.

    All we have to go on here are Lennon's words,

    No, because he was not only a guy who talks.

    and our cliche-based interpretations - which are supported by all the typology books and websites - and a lot of pseudo-science.
    You are a pseudo-typist, that'ts the only thing I'am sure about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post

    You are a pseudo-typist, that'ts the only thing I'am sure about.
    Irrelevant. That is the logical equivalent of calling you to the floor for being a teenager. Therefore, I rest satisfied with my call as to John Lennon's type.
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    It's intelectual masturbation. For sure you're satisfied with this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    It's intelectual masturbation. For sure you're satisfied with this.
    Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? Sore loser. Anyway, you don't know that John Lennon lacked envy, even if that category matters.
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