The Beatles

[Speed Gavroche]

That is describing the Ni type. The enneatype described here is 4.

No.

That describes the anti-Si Individualist type 4.

He was an individualist but not especially anti-Si. He had a wing 4, bu did'nt see the world on the emotives angles, he was self-contained and rational: 5.

 

[Mal12345]

No.




He was an individualist but not especially anti-Si. He had a wing 4, bu did'nt see the world on the emotives angles, he was self-contained and rational: 5.

The type 2 is the emotivist of the Enneagram. The type 4 is the intuitionist, speaking to that which they tend to lead with in life, or that power which tends to dominate.

Lennon states in the 1980 interview that he saw things that others couldn't see: Ni. He was anti-tradition, the Si is pro-tradition. The Ni is more typically anti-tradition than the Ti who is merely indifferent to it. And Lennon does not describe himself as intellectual in the Ti sense. He does not express any interest whatsoever in Ti subjects such as math and science. And he was an Artist in the type 4 sense, desiring to express his intuition indirectly through his art in an attempt to be understood. "I was different from the others. I was different all my life."

 

[Speed Gavroche]

The type 2 is the emotivist of the Enneagram. The type 4 is the intuitionist, speaking to that which they tend to lead with in life, or that power which tends to dominate.

4s are emotivist, they react to situations according to their emotional meanings, not their stricly materials manifestation.

Lennon states in the 1980 interview that he saw things that others couldn't see: Ni. He was anti-tradition, the Si is pro-tradition. The Ni is more typically anti-tradition than the Ti who is merely indifferent to it. And Lennon does not describe himself as intellectual in the Ti sense.

Si is about managing your life following through past experiences and organised concrete data, before being about tradition (it's nothing more tan a cliché) Ni is about envision an organised future or vision on your own. Lennon was not a planner. You don't need to have Ni to be anti-traditionalist. Tons of anti-traditionalist have not Ni. Ti is about logic and understanding, not a bout a specific form of intelectualism.

He does not express any interest whatsoever in Ti subjects such as math and science.

Cliché. Laugh.

And he was an Artist in the type 4 sense, desiring to express his intuition indirectly through his art in an attempt to be understood. "I was different from the others. I was different all my life."

He was different and an artist but he has no Envy, wich is the 4 thing.

 

[Mal12345]

4s are emotivist, they react to situations according to their emotional meanings, not their stricly materials manifestation.



Si is about managing your life following through past experiences and organised concrete data, before being about tradition (it's nothing more tan a cliché) Ni is about envision an organised future or vision on your own. Lennon was not a planner. You don't need to have Ni to be anti-traditionalist. Tons of anti-traditionalist have not Ni. Ti is about logic and understanding, not a bout a specific form of intelectualism.




Cliché. Laugh.



He was different and an artist but he has no Envy, wich is the 4 thing.

I'm glad you think this is so funny. And your idea that envy is a '4 thing' is also a cliche.

There is no evidence one way or another about Lennon's organizational skills. All your "evidence" is based on your external impression of him. It's better to take him at his word. His very statements express Ni and anti-Si, and Si is very traditionalist among other things, either as a way of life or as just a way of gathering information. It is obvious from the interview I quoted that Lennon was against Si-tradition as a way of life, he would have known nothing about information-gathering methods. I said nothing about J or P. And I don't believe that I/E determine MBTI type, that is an MBTI logical fallacy based on an assumption.

Yes of course anybody can be anti-Si except for the Si person. However, Lennon's reasons for being anti-Si make the difference here. Some, like James Dean in that movie, are rebels without a cause. Lennon was a rebel with a cause, and that cause was individualism, or better, individualistic expression.

All we have to go on here are Lennon's words, and our cliche-based interpretations - which are supported by all the typology books and websites - and a lot of pseudo-science.

 

[Speed Gavroche]

I'm glad you think this is so funny. And your idea that envy is a '4 thing' is also a cliche.

No, it is the passion of the type, if you don't have issues on it, you're not a 4. Learn a little.

There is no evidence one way or another about Lennon's organizational skills.

That guy even did'nt know where he put his watch.

All your "evidence" is based on your external impression of him.

No.

It's better to take him at his word. His very statements express Ni and anti-Si,

Cognitive functions are not expressed in word.

It is obvious from the interview I quoted that Lennon was against Si-tradition as a way of life,

He was anti treadition, not anti-si, and even if he was, that would be a proof that he is an Ne user.

he would have known nothing about information-gathering methods. I said nothing about J or P. And I don't believe that I/E determine MBTI type, that is an MBTI logical fallacy based on an assumption.

Intellectual masturbation.

Yes of course anybody can be anti-Si except for the Si person. However, Lennon's reasons for being anti-Si make the difference here. Some, like James Dean in that movie, are rebels without a cause. Lennon was a rebel with a cause, and that cause was individualism, or better, individualistic expression.

Hem, James Dean was about individualistic expression too. James Deasn, however, was a true 4w5.

All we have to go on here are Lennon's words,

No, because he was not only a guy who talks.

and our cliche-based interpretations - which are supported by all the typology books and websites - and a lot of pseudo-science.

You are a pseudo-typist, that'ts the only thing I'am sure about.

 

[Mal12345]

You are a pseudo-typist, that'ts the only thing I'am sure about.

Irrelevant. That is the logical equivalent of calling you to the floor for being a teenager. Therefore, I rest satisfied with my call as to John Lennon's type.

 

[Speed Gavroche]

It's intelectual masturbation. For sure you're satisfied with this.

 

[Mal12345]

It's intelectual masturbation. For sure you're satisfied with this.

Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? Sore loser. Anyway, you don't know that John Lennon lacked envy, even if that category matters.

 

[The Seeker 1994]

John Lennon ENFP 7w6
Paul McCartney- ESFP 3w2
George Harrison- He's the toughest, i personally think ISTP(The same functions as an INFJ, so i think that's why he gets typed as one. He's not very talkative and he seems outwardly very serious, so that would suggest to me that he's not a dominant perceiver. In early interviews, he also seems like the one in charge, the spokesperson of the group if you like and in one interview he even mentions the future, he talks about starting a business, this might suggest that he's an INTJ, future oriented or whatever but if you read personalty junkie (PJ) it says this- "To understand ISTPs, or other IP types, it is necessary to recognize the full implications of their dominant function being a Judging function. I discuss this issue in my post, Rethinking Judging and Perceiving in IPs & IJs. In short, I suggest that ISTPs are best viewed as predominant Judgers and display many characteristics of EJs, only that these behaviors are directed inwardly or toward themselves."- This would explain why i often see ESTJ when i watch Harrison in interviews. I don't think he's an ESTJ as i think he would have asserted himself more regarding material, in the early days i think he saw himself more as the businessman but then of course he developed an interest in songwriting and of course went on to become a very good one but that was the reason for a lot of tension in the group, he felt kept down by Lennon and McCartney. If you look on PJ, which is my favorite site, you'll see that the ISTP fits him perfectly. Harrison had a spiritual awakening and an ISTP can certainly be spiritual, they have tertiary Ni after-all. The only other type that i can see him as is ISFP( some even think INTJ and they have the same functions). I don't think he is though because he seems to have Fe but you see it develop overtime in the same way that you see Fe develop overtime in somebody like Martin Scorcese( ENTP), if you watch early interviews and then later ones, you'll see his Fe develop, of course the argument could be, well maybe he just became more comfortable in front of the camera and i'd say that's nonsense because if you were gonna act in some way or put on a kind of act, it would be more hammy or whatever and i couldn't imagine Harrison playing up to a camera, i'm seeing inferior Fe,. He has a harder edge than an ISFP i think and also his humour(i don't think in that interview), could actually be very biting and also he could be a bit.......hmm, well he would make little digs at Paul in interviews and that could be seen as slightly passive aggressive, which is more characteristic of a Ti or Fi user, so i personally think he's an ISTP, my second guess would ISFP.
Ringo Starr- I do love Ringo but i haven't seen many interviews with him, i would guess XSXP

 

[Forever_Jung]

He was different and an artist but he has no Envy, wich is the 4 thing.

Lennon had a TON of envy, are you INSANE? He was extremely envious of and threatened by other artists. I would say envy is one of his defining qualities. Probably 95% of his problems with Paul were a matter of envious resentment. He also had a ton of envy for Bob Dylan's ability to express his vision without making commercial compromises. Even though he was a big admirer, Lennon said they both got very uptight around each other, more or less because they were a bit threatened by the other. I mean, not that this proves anything, but Lennon even famously wrote an autobiographical song called "Jealous Guy"

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Lennon had a TON of envy, are you INSANE? He was extremely envious of and threatened by other artists. I would say envy is one of his defining qualities. Probably 95% of his problems with Paul were a matter of envious resentment.

Well, he also said that Paul liked to write "granny music" which cracks me up. I guess he didn't like "Honey Pie."

He also had a ton of envy for Bob Dylan's ability to express his vision without making commercial compromises. Even though he was a big admirer, Lennon said they both got very uptight around each other, more or less because they were a bit threatened by the other. I mean, not that this proves anything, but Lennon even famously wrote an autobiographical song called "Jealous Guy"

 

[Robopop]

Lennon - ENTP
McCartney - ESFP
Harrison - INFJ
Starr - ISxP

 

[yeghor]

John: 5w4 Sx/So INTP
Paul: 3w2 Sp/Sx ESFP
George: 1w9 Sp/Sx ISFP
Ringo: 9w8 So/Sx ESFP

Lennon - ESTP 7w8 sx/sp
McCartney - ENFJ 3w2 so/sp
Harrison - ISTP 9w1 sp/so
Starr - ISFJ 2w3 so/sx

My take:

John Lennon - ISTP (agree with enneagram 5)

Lennon was an aggressive man.

His son Julian has this opinion of him: “I have to say that, from my point of view, I felt he was a hypocrite. Dad could talk about peace and love out loud to the world but he could never show it to the people who supposedly meant the most to him: his wife and son. How can you talk about peace and love and have a family in bits and pieces - no communication, adultery, divorce? You can't do it, not if you're being true and honest with yourself.”

https://edgar.ae/articles/john-lennon-dark-side/

John Lennon's dark side from domestic violence and emotional abuse to mocking disabled people - Mirror Online

Paul McCartney - ESFJ (agree with enneagram 3)
George Harrison - ISFJ (agree with enneagram 9)
Ringo Starr - ISFP (enneagram 4)

May Pang (Lennon's previous girlfriend) - ISFP

Yoko Ono - ESTJ

EDIT: More on Yoko:

Her treatment of John’s first son, Julian

Yoko Ono totally dismissed Julian as part of John Lennon’s legacy. Yoko Ono made Julian buy his deceased father’s letter from an auction instead of just giving the letters to him as his right. She referred to Julian as the ‘mistake child’ and her son with John, Sean as the ‘planned one’. Yoko Ono fought Julian in court for years for his father’s estate until she begrudgingly settles.

The way she broke up John Lennon’s first marriage

John Lennon meets Yoko Ono at her art exhibit

John Lennon was still married to Cynthia when he met Yoko at an art exhibit and started showing interest to each other.

When Cynthia was on holiday, John Lennon invited Yoko Ono at their house to do some recording and “they made love at dawn” after recording all night. Cynthia arrives back home and finds Yoko Ono casually sitting at her table wearing only a white robe to which John only commented: “oh hey”.

Cynthia and John divorced shortly after that.

The way she handled John’s mistress May Pang during their separation

John had a side chick, his and Yoko’s personal assistant May Pang when he and Yoko separated in 1973. Pang and Lennon’s relationship only lasted more than 18 months, a time which Lennon later referred to as his “Lost Weekend.” John stopped picking up Yoko’s calls but Yoko somehow managed to convince him to come back to her saying that she “found a cure for smoking addiction”, to which John concedes.

When May Pang was left hanging, she calls John asking what happened and Yoko answers her, telling her John is unavailable he’s too exhausted from his hypnotherapy sessions.

May Pang believed John was being brainwashed. John told May that his separation from Yoko was over but Yoko could allow him to continue his relationship with May as a mistress.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

Alpha band

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[Lady_X]

Lennon - ENTP
McCartney - ESFP
Harrison - INFJ
Starr - ISxP

Mostly agree with this but I finally settled on ENFP for john. He is so fi. I went from infp to intj to enfp because him being an intuitive fi user was the only thing clear until watching countless videos. Also...no one beams at someone they love like an enfp. watch how he looks at paul. <3

 

[SgtP3pper]

Never heard of them...

 

[Akhromant]

John Lennon: ENTP (Ne-Te-Fi-Si)
Paul McCartney: ISFP (Si-Fi-Te-Ne)
George Harrison: ESTP (Se-Te-Fi-Ni)
Ringo Starr: ENFP (Ne-Fe-Ti-Si)
Yoko Ono: INFJ (Fi-Ni-Se-Te)

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

Lennon reads like an introvert or one of the more "ambiverted" types if you look at accounts of him just hanging out and shooting the shit with close friends. Never go by accounts of his party days during the Lost Weekend, because he was stoned in some form or another through most of that period.

The first time he met Bowie, they were both somewhat shy. Bowie insisted his friend and album producer Tony Visconti join them to "broker" a meeting. Bowie initially sat on the floor and quietly drew on a sketchpad, so Visconti took it on himself to make conversation and just asked John questions about stuff like chords used on Beatles songs. Finally Lennon asked Bowie what he was sketching, so Bowie revealed he had been sketching portraits of John. John then picked up a pad and started sketching Bowie. That was what it took to break the ice. I think Lennon was a lot more reserved and withdrawn than the impression we tend to get from his public persona. A lot of what we see was very much a defense mechanism and armor. Of course he had no problem being the life of the party or the center of attention at times

I think ENFP (maybe ENTP) fits Lennon. Either typing fits closely with (if not exclusive to) his tendency to play the cynic and the "class clown". He also had that way of remaining endearing even when he was being somewhat a prick, something I am jealous of the ENFPs pulling off so casually. He reminds me a good deal of Hunter Thompson, probably another ENFP

Another thing, and I realize it's not limited to any specific type, but the man was obsessed with the new and novel. He was one of the first British musicians to obtain a mellotron, something that was still very much new tech in the mid 60s. Not to mention the experimentation with styles and genres that would be considered new and novel at the time some of the later Beatle albums were recorded. I've no doubt that had he lived, he would have continued to embrace the latest technology, music styles and production techniques given the opportunity to continue producing music into the 80s and 90s. Very little interest in "re-doing" the past, which is probably why a Beatles reunion was unlikely in the years immediately following the breakup, though I think John would've probably come around to the idea of a renion tour circa late 80s to mid 90s, a point when a lot of the old guard rockers of the 60s and 70s were attempting their comebacks and reunions despite many having said they would never play together again (The Eagles *gross* is a good example of this sudden nostalgia boom in the late 80s; incidentally it's also around the time Bowie launched a big1990 tour covering his old hits with the intention of playing them "one last time" for fans, even though he would continue to play a lot of those hits again on subsequent tours).

Incidentally, I would put Visconti as some form of TJ and Bowie as either ISFP or INFJ (with INTP a less likely, remote third option)