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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I think you need to rethink how Jack does that, in comparison to F's like Hurley and Kate.

    I wouldn't call Benjamin Linus an F, but everything he does is to "help others" in his own words. And John Locke has far more F traits than Jack Shepherd, yet you've got the former as a T and the latter as an F. You are also failing to answer my question of whether Jack is primarily Te directed or Fe directed.

    T's are certainly allowed to consider people in the course of making their decisions. Doctors do it every day. All doctors. yet there are many MANY T doctors in the world.
    I don't really look at functions(i also don't really care), sorry. When i type someone, i analyze him by applying letter after letter. And then the functions usually match.

    Anyway, the main concept behind F/T is how one makes decisions. That was my tool for typing each character.
    Jack has shown numerous times that he mostly makes decision based on emotions and people, rather than task. When someone is in danger, he will leave everything and try to help him, not necessarily because he's a doctor, but because he wants to help. Even though he knows that inviting other people would benefit his ways, he wouldn't do that because he may put them at risk.

    Locke has a lot of F traits, indeed. That's why i typed him as a borderline T. But the F traits are mainly because he's ilogical at times, with all the mysterious sutff(although it's unfair to judge him about that, that island is really special and "real world rules" do not apply there). The T traits about him are more dominant, though. He definitely makes decisions based on task, he doesn't give a damn about the others as long as he gets what he wants and he doesn't appreciate people getting in his way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    Sawyer=ISTP and nobody can argue against that.
    I agree that Sawyer was probably ISTP. Sawyer was an independent rebel who could always develop innovative solutions in a novel fashion with lightning precision. He also was a big gangster as well as a loner who followed no authority. And then there was the difficulty dealing with emotions that Sawyer would unleash upon the environment. This all lines up well with Ti reasoning along with Se action and Ni instinct as well as repressed Fe rage. He is very much in his natural state cool and self-contained who uses this logic for problem solving ability in a variety of settings to make things work with utilitarian improvisation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Typoz View Post
    How can Locke be an INTJ, or INTP for that matter? T types don't believe in magic nonsense... Do they? And the "don't tell me what not to do," that's P. Also he's good with physical things, he gets picked on at his work, etc.. I'd say ISFP.
    Locke I would guess is INTJ. Locke had a psychic connection with the island and would follow its radiant energy to find a sense of direction. Then there was also Locke's chart-the-course style of interaction where he would lay the foundation and point the way for the people of the island. Next is how he was obsessed with having a life purpose and would take extreme measures to make a personal cosmological meaning out of things. Last is how Locke lost touch with reality in many instances and pretty much went insane. This all lines up well with Ni intuition along with Te contingency and Fi value as well as repressed Se delusion. He is very much a tenacious visionary and orients these dreams towards action to transform the world in accordance with a design that springs from the heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SunRider View Post
    I don't really look at functions(i also don't really care), sorry.
    *shrug* Then you are going to be misled. (Unless you just care to understand MBTI as one of those silly online tests where you are asked four questions in isolation, one for each pair, and that is somehow supposed to give you a correct read on a complex human being.)

    If that's the case, there's nothing more to discuss here.

    Also, you are confusing "instincts" and "feelings" here. In this case, Jack would be better described by an Enneagram system which makes such a distinction between the two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    *shrug* Then you are going to be misled. (Unless you just care to understand MBTI as one of those silly online tests where you are asked four questions in isolation, one for each pair, and that is somehow supposed to give you a correct read on a complex human being.)

    If that's the case, there's nothing more to discuss here.

    Also, you are confusing "instincts" and "feelings" here. In this case, Jack would be better described by an Enneagram system which makes such a distinction between the two.
    And let me guess, you believe that a "less silly" online test where you are asked 150-200 questions in isolation is supposed to give you a correct read on a complex human being?
    If that's the case, there's nothing more to discuss pretty much anywhere, you've got it all wrong, lol.

    And actually i've known MBTI for what, about 6-7 years? And i'm well aware of all the functions and understand them all. I just, as i said, don't use them to type people. I don't see what's wrong with that. Isn't a personality based on four variables? E/I, S/N, T/F and J/P? the letters come first, the functions are then derived by the letters. So basically, it'd make much more sense to type someone by examining the four variables than examining the functions.
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    Juliet's type is the most fascinating one to talk about, IMO. Aside from a few extensive efforts to repress pain (like Sawyer & Kate) making them come across non-archetypically, I think the rest are pretty clear archetypes (like Ben's INTJ). I definitely see @Jennifer's read of Juliet as INFJ, but I think Juliet is a little more complicated in terms of preferences.

    In the flashbacks, Researcher Juliet is clearly Ni dom, trying to use her inner vision and perseverance to bend the external world to her internal needs and desires. But island Juliet is a more adaptive, flexy personality who starts with external data and flows in a calculated and methodical manner (rather than voodoo-y magic-it-up without being able to explain one's intuition Ni). Maybe that's just Se needing to lead due to the extrordinary circumstances that come with living on the island, but it seems to me that she's leaning more on Ti/Ne for a lot of the show.

    Maybe that's what makes Juliet so captivating--she's got some makeshift Ni/Ti/Te/Ne/Se superfunction going, but to keep those functions leading she's also supressing pretty much all her feelings until they have a safe place to be burnt off from time to time. We look at her on the island and see that she's effortfully and willfully navigating her world moment to moment to get to her goal.

    She's sort of an INxJ/INTP hybrid character for most of the island adventures.
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    I kind of have given up on MBTI as a typing mechanism, at least to the degree that people are consistently taking it. There are some general tendencies, but people are more complex and do not fit into the type definitions to a large degree. And then people are just making up reasons for why someone might not be a particular type or why they show other type tendencies. "Oh, that is their inferior function," or "Oh, it's a tertiary-primary loop" or, "Oh look their Senex is taking over," but we are just blowing smoke -- making up expanded rules to explain people who don't fit well into the main gist of the theory.

    Essentially there are different lenses through which to view the world. We might start with some preferences, but eventually a person who is open and tapped into both the internal or external spheres will start to view the world in other ways, based on the needs of the moment and what works the best. We're all just trying to cope with the demands of life with the tools at our disposal.

    All these type discussions seem to try to do is draw conclusions from unclear data. Why try to prove "what MBTI type" someone is ... and especially about fictional people and/or even real people we've never actually met?

    We can say someone seems adept at particular function perspectives and not as favorable or weak with others, and that's about all we can say. It's like trying to draw a conclusion with not enough or ambiguous data. People -- especially maturing and complex ones -- are going to develop expertise with a range of perspectives, and not even uniformly. if it were simple, we'd all agree.
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    Sawyer: ISTP 7w8 Sx/Sp.
    John Locke: INFJ 8w9 Sx/Sp
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    Locke is possibly the most P person on the island. How can you think he's a J? He never plans ahead, he goes with the flow. He's open ended, whenever he makes a decision, he stops and walks to another path because the island told him so.
    And about the F/T thing, well, i guess it's debatable, i see him as a weak T.

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    Wow, hooray for folk-typology. You guys are killing it, this thread received nearly as many replies as mine.
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    Jack: ESFJ
    Kate: ISFJ ? I have no idea
    Sayid: INTJ
    Boone: ENFP maybe I
    Sawyer: ENTP just a darker one
    Locke: INFJ maybe T
    Claire: ENFJ
    Charlie: ESFP
    Shanon: EXTJ
    Hurley: ESXP

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