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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    I would have guessed at ENTP from what I've seen but I'm also tempted by ISFJ... The whole trip around the world doesn't seem very ENTP but there again if he's that worldly then his type is liable to be murky in definition because of development.
    I understand your point. Palin often seems to present a double face... Two opposed point of views.

    But as you said, with age, people tend to appear more and more like their tertiary, so perhaps it could explain why he looked very cynical/eccentric when he was younger, while the older Palin rather offers a calm/understanding face...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post

    I would counter that ENTPs are quite the sadists themselves given chance.
    Sad, but true...

    But I'd would rather since they are iNtuitives, ENTPs tend to be more macchiavelian than pure sadist.
    They use their natural cynicism to see the outcomes, the possibilities, rather than enjoying the present moment in a sensory fashion.
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    How did that gobshite get on the forum!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    I understand your point. Palin often seems to present a double face... Two opposed point of views.

    But as you said, with age, people tend to appear more and more like their tertiary, so perhaps it could explain why he looked very cynical/eccentric when he was younger, while the older Palin rather offers a calm/understanding face...
    Something to look forwards to?

    I do sense the irreverence in his humour but he seems quite reverent when he's travelling. I'm wondering which is the person and which is the shadow.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Something to look forwards to?

    I do sense the irreverence in his humour but he seems quite reverent when he's travelling. I'm wondering which is the person and which is the shadow.
    Again, the older I get, the more reverent I may appear to people around me... It's my Fe working...
    I sense the same kind of internal conflict within Palin.

    As for his travel documentaries, remember it was a side job, just a way of getting some cash... I would be tempted to trust more the sketches he has written himself to find the "true" Palin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    Again, the older I get, the more reverent I may appear to people around me... It's my Fe working...
    I sense the same kind of internal conflict within Palin.

    As for his travel documentaries, remember it was a side job, just a way of getting some cash... I would be tempted to trust more the sketches he has written himself to find the "true" Palin.
    Not sure that's the right way around. If you think about it from the other stand point then his sketches were deliberately written where as the other is more of a documentary (supposedly) of his travels.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Not sure that's the right way around. If you think about it from the other stand point then his sketches were deliberately written where as the other is more of a documentary (supposedly) of his travels.
    Maybe!
    We're only doing conjectures, anyway.
    I see your point as much as I see mine, we may both be right, we may both be wrong, but it's entertaining nonetheless.
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    Sorry, I've actually heard of Red Dwarf, Black Adder, Young Ones, and MPFC.

    (At least the OP fit the billing of the thread title.)

    But yeah, there was a lot of extroverted intuition flying around on the MPFC set. Based on look and feel, I would think that Chapman, Palin, and Jones had the best chance to be introverts.

    Idle's very extroverted (I briefly met, um, err, past by him in a hallway once, and the man just does NOT shut up... frankly, he intimidated me), Gilliam is just a nut and seems to be an extroverted tinkerer (ENxP?), and Cleese sort of walks that line between intro and extro.

    I always got a sense of gentleness and kindness from Palin, even when he was younger. (probably P.) Some of the other members were much more abrasive. Cleese is J. If Jones is J, he's probably INFJ or something else with a quieter manner. Gilliam is P all over the place. Chapman always seemed J, very much in control of himself and his presentation.
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    There is something contradictory between

    This:
    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post

    But yeah, there was a lot of extroverted intuition flying around on the MPFC set.
    And that:

    Some of the other members were much more abrasive. Cleese is J. If Jones is J, he's probably INFJ or something else with a quieter manner. Gilliam is P all over the place. Chapman always seemed J, very much in control of himself and his presentation.
    As Ne exists only in great amounts within NP types (not J's), and especially among ENFPs and ENTPs.

    So, a high Ne environment is likely to be dominated by ENxPs.

    ---

    Besides, classy dressers are not always Js. People "in control" with their presentations are often born comedians, and again, this would rather make us think to ExxP types...

    Based on look and feel, I would think that Chapman, Palin, and Jones had the best chance to be introverts.
    It seems we would all agree on the fact Chapman was an introvert. And indeed, he always played the awkward man dealing with social situations he barely handled. When you look at his contributions, he always was refered as the rational backbone of the whole team. (->Hence I'd say INTP)

    Palin seems a very complex double sided character, so let's forget him for a minute.

    But about Terry Jones, I've seen him in an art gallery and later in a political convention, and he struck me as one of the most exuberant people around, very Extroverted, I'd say. And since he both enjoys writing children's stories and judge politics according to his own sense of morality, I'd say he's an unmistakable ENFP.

    Idle's very extroverted (I briefly met, um, err, past by him in a hallway once, and the man just does NOT shut up... frankly, he intimidated me),
    Again, we have a consensus over Eric Idle. The fact that he is both very talkative, a musician and a con artist (a real one) leads me to ESTP.
    Another guess?

    Gilliam is just a nut and seems to be an extroverted tinkerer (ENxP?),
    Gilliam is a very quiet, shy man. That's why he would'nt appear on a lot on MPFC sketches, or only as deaf or mute characters. As he later confessed, he was so shy that he actually feared to stammer when the TV camera was on.
    On the other hand he's a gifted artist, a very creative one, who enjoys dreams and that sort of thing... Very idealistic.
    So I'd say INFx.

    and Cleese sort of walks that line between intro and extro.
    Again, I disagree. Cleese always enjoyed to be in charge, to look bossy (he often appeared as the leader of the team), he never was afraid of public, he never suffered any stage fright, he was a natural comedian.
    Hence, the ENTP profile fits to him like a glove around an hand.

    If you perceive him as quiet, (assuming he's an ENTP) it's because ENxPs are rarely very extroverted (unlike ESxPs).
    The typical ENxP "only" scores as 50-75% on the I/E scale on classic MBTI tests (Typical ESxP = 65-90%).
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    Well, I haven't researched them enough to discuss them intelligently to the level of detail you are taking things.

    I was merely describing what I have 'felt' at a diffuse, general level when observing them in a variety of settings.

    I could be wrong. But I'm not convinced you're right.

    So that's where I'm leaving it. I didn't come here to buy an argument, after all.
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