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    Quote Originally Posted by chihuahuasrluv View Post
    I agree with most people that Hatter was an esfp.
    Whoa...wait a minute here. Where are these 'most people'?...as I need to have a word with them.

    As I live and breathe...Burton's Hatter is ENFP (and counterphobic).

    I have entertained the thought that may be Alice is ISFP.

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    Some young extraverts don't look that extraverted. They need to develop to have the extraveted thing.

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    Alice... an ISFP? Hmm...

    I suppose I saw her as more T than F... but I was half asleep while watching it the other night. I do feel she's more S than N though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IndyAnnaJoan View Post
    Alice... an ISFP? Hmm...

    I suppose I saw her as more T than F... but I was half asleep while watching it the other night. I do feel she's more S than N though.
    I agree with you Indy that she is an S. The reason I was thinking ISFP because I felt like I saw some strong Fi in Burton's Alice.

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    If she is a withdrawn, socially introverted extrovert, I don't see it. Not to be rude, but extroverts like that are kind of needy. They still have the same "metabolism" as other extroverts, and yet, they're held back by something.. I can't say what. They usually seem shy though. She isn't like that. And her outspoken-ness only has to do with things like with telling her mom she isn't interested in dressing properly. She questions rules. It's not I or E.

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    I really don't see Burton's Alice as INTP. I would say INFP, or I wouldn't really argue ISFP, but I don't see domTi at all.

    The movie played out like her own journey to finding herself and her role. An overly stereotypical NF "Who am I?" leading to a battle of her inner demons. Wonderland was a metaphor for her own feelings about her place in life and being such an outcast in her family.

    Anyways, the movie sucked XD

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    I liked the movie. It seems that most people who had expectations, didn't like it.

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    I think high expectations really can ruin a movie, but it's hard to avoid when you see it advertised everywhere..it's being thrown in your face. Personally, i'll try to wait for the hype to wear off of a movie and for me to forget about it's existence, only to remember it again one random day when looking for something to watch..which i did with the new Alice..and still didn't like it. :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by guesswho View Post
    I liked the movie. It seems that most people who had expectations, didn't like it.
    Word. I liked aspects of it, but didn't care too much for it overall. But, like you said... I had expectations with it being Tim Burton taking on a story I thought he would have turned into a classic all over again. It was a very different take on the story. However, though I saw it in theatres and then the other night while falling asleep, I kind of want to give it another go... without passing out. Ha.
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    I thought it was great. In fact, this calls for a new avatar. =) Really, there isn't any Tim Burton I don't like except Planet of the Apes. And I've seen a fair share of re-takes on Alice. The premise was different, but still Alice.. he just made her older, and forgetful of how she was the first time she was in Wonderland. I thought it was clever how he revisited every element, yet made it new to her, as if she was visiting Wonderland for the first time. I think he kept the Carroll story in there enough though. Some writers (most writers, that is) can't resist turning Alice into something kinky if they make her older. I don't know why that is. Also, I'm glad he resisted the urge to make her gothy. She's one of the more realistic "outcasts" he's written, I think.

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